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July 12, 2004

Bush Is Not Staying Behind

Even though polls show that Bush's numbers have dropped, he should be expecting an increase around Election Day. This is because the economy has recently brightened and the job market is picking up as well. A surging economy is a good factor that goes for Bush's favor. He is trying to show the American people the progress he has made, unless something like the war against Iraq overshadows his attempts for reelection.

Posted by Wild Bill at July 12, 2004 11:50 PM

Comments

I am very pleased with how bush is handeling the economy and the war on terror.

Posted by: james watkins at July 13, 2004 02:56 PM

common people!! how in UR right mind vote for such an idiot as BUSH I MEAN the man cant even pronounce anything right ...u WOULD THINK THE LEADER of the most powerful country in the world would at least be able to read..but thats not the case...but to round it all up the one who votes for the idiot is the bigger than that idiot

Posted by: ashBURY at July 13, 2004 07:27 PM

I don't get it! Why is it so difficult for everyone to see. President Bush has made some tough decisions that needed to be made. This economy does not turn around on a dime, it takes sound buisness decisions to get this economy on the right track. That's why President Clinton had such a nice easy time in office , he was riding the shirt tails of the tough decision made by the previous two republican presidents. I mean it is easy to say look what a great job I did (Clinton) when the tough decisions were made before you showed up. I hope President Bush is sucessful in winning re-election, he has my vote.

Posted by: Hubert at July 13, 2004 09:31 PM

Except some spelling/language issues what else, except being brainwashed by the mainstream liberal
media makes people so convinced in Bush's idiocy?

Posted by: mike12121212 at July 13, 2004 11:39 PM

First of all, Mr. Watkins--why do you say the man is an idiot? Because he happens to have a dialect other than one you posess? I, as a Texan, must say that I do speak differently than people "up north", however, I am none less intelligent. I believe, at 15 years old, that even I am more well educated in this election than you are, taking a personal stab at a candidate because he "talks differently". (Your ignorance just amazes me.)

Okay--and what is Kerry going to do that Bush isn't doing? Stop the war with Iraq? Hmm, okay, so we can be attacked again by terrorists? GET OFF OF IT! BUSH IS A GOOD PRESIDENT! He has made numerous tough descisions to do what is best for our country! If you don't want to be protected by the army that's FIGHTING FOR YOUR LIFE, then GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY THAT'S SAVING YOUR ASS.

You need a stance before you can post something--John Kerry's face is uglier than a dead animal. There's your personal stab at "your" candidate.

Posted by: Stefano Iacono at July 14, 2004 05:23 AM

I'm the idiot voting for President Bush because he took what the Democrats did to our economy and made it right.

Posted by: Kathryn Lyons at July 14, 2004 09:31 AM

What about the fact that Bush has abused his executive powers over and over and over? He has lied to the American people over and over. He is killing hundreds of Americans a day because he wants cheaper oil for his personal oil company. And what has he done for the average American? He certainly isn't saving our asses from terrorists, since he hasn't captured the man we've been looking for since 9/11. He just started another war, so people would forget about the one that he is incapable of finishing.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 14, 2004 11:52 AM

Bush has done a great job with the circumstances he's faced while in office. Think about it, if it was Al Gore in the white house, what would this country be like? How would Al Gore have handled 9/11? What if Kerry is elected? How will he handle these types of situations? Bush has shown us many times in many ways that he is the strong leader that America needs. Not only by the way he has handle 9/11, but also by the way he has handled the war in Iraq. Can Kerry improve the situation? Will Iraq be restored any sooner? Will fewer soldiers die? If so, I say elect Kerry. But, as the old cliche says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Bush is doing a fine job. Why replace him?

Another thing, why do people spend so much time focusing on his public speaking skills? How well would you do if you had to make a speech in front of millions of people all over the world? Let's stop focusing on the petty stuff and look at the real issues, people. A nation's future is hanging in the balance.

Posted by: Amanda at July 14, 2004 03:57 PM

may God help us if George W. Bush is elected in 2004. i pray that John F. Kerry is elected

Posted by: noreen heverin at July 14, 2004 04:52 PM

Mr. Watkins accuses George Bush of not being able to pronounce things correctly, and yet Mr. Watkins writes "Common people" instead of "Come on, people". Not a great start, Mr. Watkins.

Ms. Lyons says Bush is killing hundreds of Americans per day. There are no fact substantiating this. She states he has lied over and over. There are no facts substantiating this. She's probably referring to what he said leading up to the Iraq war even though members of her own party for years echoed the same things Bush said. He just had the guts to be decisive about it. Kerry, on the other hand, kills thousands of Americans per day by his support of abortion even though he stated just last week that he believes life begins at conception. So, if he believes that, then he consciously permits murder. The liberals just can't get over Florida 2000. Bush may indeed lose re-election, but only because so many people believe liberal media garbage instead of truth.

Posted by: Daniel Cotter at July 14, 2004 05:43 PM

Hundreds of Americans are not dying each day. Far less each day are dying going into a war of this magnitude than any other time I can see in history. The exaggerations of idiocy and numbers of soldiers killed liberating an entire country continue without the press putting anything in context. For the most part fighter pilot training washes out the idiot every time, math, physics, and logistics are more difficult than the route Clinton took to success. Far more would be dying each day were Saddam still in power and Dems for the first time ever do not seem to care about them. Dems minimize the great amount this president spends on foreign aid, Aids, education, and even having outspent Clinton on the ARTS, you Dems are all hypocrites that I believe are actually hoping that more die so your man is president. Kerry has no original ideas, reverses his position on poll data, and cannot even stand on a position as simple as abortion or gay marriage or SUV ownership to try not to offend his special interest donors. If he is an idiot then how does it feel to have one beating you? If intelligence is such a great trait then how did Carter bring the country to its knees with double digit inflation and double digit unemployment with a Democratic congress?

Posted by: Christopher Hall at July 14, 2004 08:22 PM

Why is it that the first to start slamming people for voicing their opinions are republicans. Why is it that republicans got people arrested for showing up to their convention with anti-bush T-shirts on. Why is it Bush feels its right to take away freedom because he fears them. Read the news that you can dig up and get the real stories! So many clues are right under your noses. We should have nailed Bin Laden, instead of invading a country that we've been bombing for the past ten years, under UN sactions no less. Think I'm lying?? look it up. Find out what the UN Weapons inspectors had to say about wether saddam had weapons of mass destruction before the war, read up about what the "aluminum centerfuges" that bush accused Iraq of aquiring in his state of the union 2003 adress. READ UP PLEASE. DONT LET THE CONTROL OF INFORMATION BE YOUR IGNORANCE!

Posted by: Peace + Love at July 14, 2004 09:54 PM

God save our country if G.W. Bush wins. I have never seen such a bad President and leader.

The lies have got to end, and we all want a safer world where we are not hated like we are today, due to Bushed mis-handling of the war and the economy.

We all have been Bushwacked period.

VOTE KERRY in NOV.

Posted by: steven at July 15, 2004 01:44 AM

WOW, I cannot believe that there are still citizens of our great country who believe that George W. Bush has done a good job leading our nation the last two years. Not only has he done a HORRIBLE job, he is absolutely INCAPABLE of doing a better job. What "tough decisions" has Mr. Bush made? Do you mean starting a war without UN approval, alienating many of our oldest allies by doing so. Is that what you mean? Do you mean not capturing the man who murdered over 3000 AMERICANS on our own soil and choosing to go after a man who was of NO immediate threat to any AMERICAN. Is that what you mean? Do you mean the "tough decision" on whether or not to lie to his citizens about WMD in Iraq? Where are they? Let me take a shot:"THERE WEREN'T EVER ANY?" And YES, there is proof of this, just listen the info is everywhere. In 1991, when Bush senior went to the aid of Kuwait, it had to be done. Saddam had the 3rd largest military force in the world, was invading another country, and at that time had WMD's. That was a just war! There are hundreds of soldiers in Iraq right now that don't even know what they are fighting for, are praying everyday KERRY wins! As far as Bush's domestic record is concerned that is even a greater travesty. His greatest accomplishment is supposed to be "No Child Left Behind" and yet he won't properly fund it. It is already being challenged by educators across the country. Please do not try and challenge me on this issue my sister and 2 cousins are teachers, and I will be in a year. The economy is such a JOKE, I won't even elaborate. And as far as his speaking abilities, it is an issue. He is the President of the United States of America, the leader of the free world, holds the most prestigious position on our planet and the man speaks at the level of a 5th grader. He is our figure head, he represents each and every American. I mean that is why we elect our President to represent us, right? He makes us sound like a bunch of blubbering idiots, he is an embarrassment to us all. And spare me with the "he's a Texan," CRAP. I am a NATIVE TEXAN, and never have left the great Lone Star state, and I certainly don't speak like Mr. Bush. I can hold a decent conversation. I implore every American to exercise the greatest freedom we have as AMERICANS, go out and VOTE! Vote KERRY-EDWARDS, for all of our sakes. Mr. Bush believes he can do anything he pleases while in office, he believes he answers to no one, well he is mistaken. He answers to us the AMERICAN PEOPLE

Posted by: Mykal M at July 15, 2004 05:00 AM

It's grate to sea alls this supports for my man BUSH! His doing a grate job killin all them sand n$#@$*@ in Iraq and all that. Who cares what peeple in other cuntrys think about us anyway becuase we don't need anything from anyone. Them tererists were gunna get us but he got them first!
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Posted by: jeb in bama at July 15, 2004 08:20 AM

George W. Bush is the man! I think that he handled 9/11 with courage and the war with Iraq with determination. The people of this country will slowly see in the next few months President Bush's economic plan really take place. The ball has already began to roll and in my opinion, this economic plan is going to have a positive snowball effect. Even with all of the outsourcing that is going on, President Bush has managed to maintain his economic promises. Mr. Kerry brings nothing new to the table and he is telling the American people everything they want to hear. Mr. Kerry is blowing smoke and is not fit to be a president. The best thing going for Mr. Kerry is his true running-mates, Michael Moore and the 100% LIBERAL MEDIA. Edwards who?

Posted by: Christian Lafferty at July 15, 2004 10:09 AM

After much prayer and Bible study, I have come to the conclusion that God is very upset by the liberal disease which has infected this nation, and has caused people to consider voting for John Kerry and his disciple John Edwards. At night, while the leaders of the democratic party huddle together in the dark recesses of the capital building, no doubt thinking of ways to ban Christianity, President Bush and the good Christian men who control the republican party are working hard to keep America strong, safe, and prosperous. God supports tax-cuts, he supports drilling for oil in Alaska, he supports privatization of social security. As republicans, we have to be distrustful of virtually every major media news outlet, especially MSNBC and CNN. The only one which can be trusted is FOX News, and Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Oliver North. The liberal media says that tax-cuts only benefit the wealthy, they support this ridiculous claim by saying that when the federal government cuts taxes, that forces the state governments to raise state income taxes, and raise college tuitions, and raise health-care costs. This is a liberal lie. The democratic party is the tool of the devil. A VOTE FOR KERRY IS A VOTE FOR SATAN!!

Posted by: henryclay at July 15, 2004 10:37 AM

America was the country that was attacked on September 11, 2001, not France, England, Germany, or Russia. We have the right to kill anyone we think is an ally of Osama Bin Laden. For God created man, but Satan created liberals in an effort to ridicule God's holy creation. If none of you liberals "truly" accept Jesus as your personal lord and saviour, you will all die and be cast into the lake of fire. All liberal movies should be banned, movies like Farenheit 9/11 are worthless pieces of propaganda, that people should not be allowed to see. Liberals want to take God off of our currency, take him out of the pledge of allegiance, and teach our children that the only god is evolution. GOD HAS BEEN ANGERED BY ALL OF THIS LIBERAL MOCKERY!

Posted by: henryclay at July 15, 2004 11:31 AM

Amanda says,
may God help us if George W. Bush is elected in 2004. i pray that John F. Kerry is elected

yeah just what we need a french liar in the whitehouse. kerry is a gold digger. kerry is rich because of teresa's money and teresa is rich because her husband was killed, you can bet that when teresa looks at kerry she sees Heinz. I saw more hugging between kerry and edwards than I have seen between kerry and teresa in just a matter of days...
Boy did they become chummy chummy really quick..
has he flip flopped, if you know what I mean.
kerry should turn himself in to be brought up on the war crimes that he admitted to instead of running for the highest office in America. He should be behind bars like Saddam.
If kerry gets in it won't take long before everyone will know it was the biggest mistake of their lives..
At least I can say I didn't do it..

Posted by: Deb at July 15, 2004 12:36 PM

James Watkins (ref. post from July 13)you are an excellent example who the type of people who are voting for Kerry. You are full of hatred and bigotry. Please keep talking. You will have the election won for Bush in no time.

Posted by: Pete Shephard at July 15, 2004 01:22 PM

I can't beleive that you dems have forgotten that clinton had a chance to capture Bin Ladden. I beg of the dems to give a true example just one, of Bush telling lies. I can give you many examples of clinton lies. Monica just to name one. I want a president with a backbone, not some waffle who bends to ever which way the winds blow. Please don't just vote Bush out, vote for the right man. "BUSH" the greatest president since "REAGAN"

Posted by: David Lowery at July 15, 2004 01:31 PM

George Bush was placed in office by God. It was prophesied in 1995 about a christian president coming as a burning bush. For righteousness sake he will be re-elected because God is on his side. If you don't like it, too bad. He will be re-elected wheather you like it or not.

Posted by: nicholas dodd at July 15, 2004 01:54 PM

Steven- you said "Do you mean starting a war without UN approval, alienating many of our oldest allies by doing so. Is that what you mean?" I say, "How many UN resolutions does it take before they mean something?"
You say, "Do you mean the "tough decision" on whether or not to lie to his citizens about WMD in Iraq? Where are they? Let me take a shot:"THERE WEREN'T EVER ANY?" And YES, there is proof of this, just listen the info is everywhere." I say, "Democratic President Bill Clinton said that there were WMD and that they were not destroyed. How about the American soldiers who were exposed to SARIN gas?"
You say, "There are hundreds of soldiers in Iraq right now that don't even know what they are fighting for, are praying everyday KERRY wins!" I say my nephew who is in the 101st Airborne spent a year in Iraq and he didn't see many American soldiers expressing that. Or did you mean the former Iraqi soldiers?"
You say, "As far as Bush's domestic record is concerned that is even a greater travesty. His greatest accomplishment is supposed to be "No Child Left Behind" and yet he won't properly fund it. It is already being challenged by educators across the country. Please do not try and challenge me on this issue my sister and 2 cousins are teachers, and I will be in a year."
I say, "That figures- you are joining the ranks of the Liberal Indoctrination Force- no doubt you will teach in a public school where you will spout your liberalism to the young - at least they will listen! I hope you will remember that teachers should be teaching children reading, writing and arithmetic and not trying to instill liberal values."
You say,"The economy is such a JOKE, I won't even elaborate." I say, "Great comment! If you would elaborate you would have to talk about the statistics that show that the jobs market has expanded and that the average payroll has grown. You probably are better off not elaborating."
I suggest you tone down your rhetoric and pay attention to learning how to be a teacher. Grow up and get real.

Posted by: Jim at July 15, 2004 02:18 PM

Everyone get your crosses out,keep them close at hand, the nightmare team is going to be on the loose. Goin' to do some front porch sittin.. I bet this will be the first time kerry has ever sit on a porch. Does kerry even know what a porch is? edwards may have early in life, however, I bet you hes not seen one since he became a multi-millionaire from all his lawsuits.
Do you think kerry will hold edwards hand on the front porch?
So coming to a porch near you.. john john will be out and about trying to sell a bill of goods.
How will you know if they are lieing? If their lips are moving.
You secret sevice men make sure kerry has a seat belt if he sits on a front porch swing; as he may fall off, then guess who will get the blame?
As, I recall you pushed him down once before. You know you don't want him to cuss you out again so be prepared... Seat belt kerry in..
Just say your prayers. " Lord Rebuke You"
Satan and his handy breck girl is making moves on your people. Save us from them..

Posted by: Deb at July 15, 2004 02:37 PM

Speaking as someone who sits on the right hand side of the pond - please feel free to send Mr Kerry over here at any time; he will feel so at home with all of our 'champagne socialists'

Posted by: Mr Free Market at July 15, 2004 03:11 PM

Anyone who is voting for Kerry is either very confused, probably by our news media that lies and distorts the truth about as often as they breath air, or their mental capacity has been so retarded by liberal philosophies that they no longer know right from wrong.

It is so simple:

Republican = free, safer, moral America where everyone has a chance to see their dreams fulfilled because government protects but doesn't interfere.

Democrat = bigger government that takes money and freedom from people who work hard and do right and gives it to people who whine the loudest! An America that makes you wear your seatbelt by the force of law, but will not restrain a woman from murdering her own child.

You decide!

Posted by: Olan Carder at July 15, 2004 03:49 PM

Hey Steve.....tell us all how many times Clinton had UN approval before he deployed troops overseas than ANY other President????....Who in their right mind would even entertain the notion that we should get approval from the UN before we took action to protect ourselves???...It's absurd....fact is Kerry isn't going to get any more cooperation from the French or Germans than Bush has....and rightfully so....we shouldn't have to compete to see who can offer that Euro-trash the highest bribe....France and Germany do not Europe make....they are two countries....nothing more....and yes, Bush did make a tough decision in going to war...sadly, if Clinton had the wisdom and foresight to recognize the difference between a terrorist attack and a criminal offense we may have faired better......thank God for Bush.....

Posted by: R Shepherd at July 15, 2004 04:47 PM

Kerry has offered no plans and can only criticize. He continually changes his positions on Iraq, abortion,marriage and John Edwards. When running in the primary, Kerry said, John Edwards was in diapers when hev returned from Viet Nam. Now Edwards is a seasoned veteran on foreign policy. A slip and fall lawyer who wouldn't even get re elected in his home state is now kERRY'S GREAT SIDE KICK.

Posted by: gino at July 15, 2004 05:21 PM

Democratic voters fall into one of the following categories: 1) lifelong far left liberal elitist's who proclaim to be for the common man by keeping the common man dependent on government and unmotivated to better oneself. Your basic socialist mentality which is a failure worldwide. 2) uninformed middle americans who fail to dig into the issues in a meaningful way and are thereby swayed by the distortions and bias of an extremely liberal media which no longer reports facts so much as it has chosen to promote a liberal ideology above all else. people in category 2 may be well meaning buy fail to take a real active interest in politics and how it affects their lives 3) the group of people who have been programmed to be dependent on gov't programs and would rather not make the sacrifice to succeed on their own. this is the group the dems claim to fight for when the effect is only to keep this group sadly undermotivated which continues to proliferate the source of democratic power.

Our country was founded on a dream that all people IF THEY WORK HARD AND SACRIFICE have the potential to succeed. There was never intended to be a guarantee that you succeed nor is it said anywhere in our founding documents that it is the government's job to take from the successful and give to the unsuccessful, unlucky, or as is too commonly the case unmotivated.

I find it interesting as a side note that over 90% of african americans vote for democrats, yet what has a democrat ever done to truly UPLIFT african americans? Gov't programs that encourage out of wedlock children and are designed to "help" people by keeping them unmotivated to better themselves. Listen to Bill Cosby, how about a good dose of personal responsibility? It is a land of opportunity not a land of handouts for those who won't take the hard road to success that many of us have chosen to travel.

Republican equals opportunity for those willing to sacrifice. Democrat equals handouts for the other crowd. Social safety nets are good for the truly downtrodden and needy, social entitlements for those UNWILLING to work HARD to succeed are not good for the recipients or our nation as a whole.

Posted by: Brian at July 15, 2004 10:41 PM

the liberals just don't get it. An election is not won by hate. Most political chat rooms i visit
show hatred for bush, yet the name "kerry" is rarely mentioned? Elections are not won on negativity, and bush will, in my opinion, win desisively in november

Posted by: george passabet at July 15, 2004 11:09 PM

"I beg of the dems to give a true example just one, of Bush telling lies. I can give you many examples of clinton lies. Monica just to name one."

How about a few:

1. Iraq was involved in one way or another in 9/11. Lie.
2. Iraq was attempting to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger. Lie.
3. There was meeting between Mohammed Atta and Iraqi agents in Prague (from the state of the union speech in 2002) Lie.
4. The economy is growing faster now than it has in twenty years. Lie.
5. He promised to pressure the Saudis through his connections to keep gas prices low. Lie.
6. He made the world safer now than three years ago. (There are three times more terror attacks now than ever before).

Do you want more examples?

Posted by: Paul Pimentel at July 15, 2004 11:37 PM

To all you liberals out their, the countries you call our allies; NEVER WERE OUR ALLIES! They stopped being our allies once they started taking money from the Oil for Food Program. France, Russia our allies!? They only way you or Kerry would have been able to get these countries to join us would have been to pay them. And Bush exposed them. Kerry would have protected them behind closed doors.

Posted by: Tom T at July 16, 2004 12:31 AM

It's amazing that President Bush is still ahead in the polls after all the name calling and lies from the ever squaking left. Lets be honest, the Dems are in estate of panick they are coming unhinged. Don't expect the liberal media to point out that the economy is rolling at a fastest pace in 2o years and that the President Bush made the right decision by going to war. Poor James Watkins, July 13, he is unable to deal honestly with the truth, instead resort to name calling.

Posted by: P. Gulledge at July 16, 2004 05:00 AM

The only thing that happened to cause all of this headbashing towards President Bush is summed up when Mr. Bush said these 2 words:
JESUS CHRIST <><
Jesus said that All men would be hated for stating and believing in His name. Further saying "Men loved darkness more than light because their deeds were evil"....

God also said: Rescue the innocent from slaughter
Men are used to this darkness that they choose of their own free will, so their minds are blinded from the truth. So if you out there are living as if there is NO God, then, you better be right!

And to you out there who spouts off about our Constitution saying that it says: there is a separation of church and state, I beg to differ with you, I have a masters degree and other degrees too, and I have studied our constitution and all of the historical books, references, ancient writings, documents, languages, about the men involved in the creation of the constitution;I have studied what they wrote in their own pen about themselves and what they truly believed. They were mostly Christian men that were almost totally all Biblical scholars who lived their lives through God's Word; there were only 13 men out of 250 that were not christians, however, even those 13 did not oppose the christian language and thought that went into all of it's documentation. No, those men, they lived their lives by the scriptures,and by prayer, and at that time America was truly a Christian nation, and God blessed America for a very long time. You know, "America the Beautiful, God shed His Grace on thee". But NO WHERE in our constitution did it ever say anything about a need for separation between church and state, the only connection it does have though, is where it says in affect, that "OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS WERE TO BE PROTECTED FROM GOVERNMENT"....but I suppose nobody will read and study and do their homework, or they could have seen all of these writings from day one before SOME spoke without knowing what THEY were talking about.

For all of the born-again Christians who are reading this, just remember, God IS in Control, even if it doesn't look like it, We are exactly paralled IN Biblical Prophesy where we are at RIGHT NOW IN THE CHURCH AGE. God will AVENGE US soon, as He SAID HE WOULD. Don't let all of this harsh liberalism you hear go down too far in your gut to cause anger, Because God said things would become this bad TOWARDS THE END, that men would become lovers of pleasure, lovers of self, children would become rebellious to parents and authority.....etc., etc. And you remember what was said about the fact that IT WAS EVEN LIKE THIS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH. God said everyone was eating and drinking and enjoying life according to what they thought was right AND GOOD in their own eyes,(because God said there is pleasure in sin for a time, but in the end IS (spiritual) DEATH), and then the Flood came and took their very lives,(AND BOY, THEY SURE PERSECUTED NOAH AND MADE FUN OF HIS LOVE AND OBEDIENCE TO OUR GOD TOO, JUST exactly LIKE THEY DO TODAY.) I don't think those that perished in that flood were enjoying that part of their wedding feast.

I don't suppose either, that anyone has mentioned that because God hated Homosexuality, called it that big AB0M------N to HIM, and gave the promise that homosexuals were "unnatural", and would never receive a part of the Kingdom of God--why should anyone who rejects His Word have eternity in Heaven???, but then they read from a manual for directions to some toy or machine they just purchased, think they should have any part in heaven. Hell was mentioned 500 times more than Heaven in the Holy Bible...I believe we have the picture right, but Just remember that God said in His word that "we are not fighting against flesh and blood," but against powers and principalities, spirits of darkness, that are not of this world. We are not in a FIGHT WITH Liberals or Mr. mouth-needs-washing-Kerry, I bet no one even saw the write up from his own comrads, Commander and General over Mr. Kerry when he was serving our country, yeah, they wrote a Petition up, AND sent it to our Military Chiefs in Command, telling them that from their remembrances alone and from their own records of his service, Mr. Kerry was totally UNFIT TO RUN A COUNTRY LET ALONE A WAR TO PROTECT US, THEY SOUNDED QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF OUR FUTURES. God Bless em.

If people don't understand our God and reject HIM, then we have done what we were put here to do - because persecution and hate come at us, even death, when we bring up God's son and His Holy word, and I say to you, that if that is happening to you, that's good, because Satan knows he cannot have us, so he tries a lot harder on us, and never bothers those who go along with His wicked thinking, never bothering to ask questions along the way, and when something bad happens to them, they swear at our God or someone else because of their selfishness and foolishness rather than to accept anything they might have done wrong. They appear to be afraid of doing good or what is honorable to God.

If anyone thinks it is right to vote for someone who believes in murdering innocent little children, but wants to be a part funding those who will be arresting you if you kill a fish in the ocean, even by accident mind you, they are in a delusion, and controlled by their own wickedness IN DARKNESS.

BUT we already know how the story Ends, and The Battle HAS ALREADY BEEN WON, SO WE CAN REJOICE, AND LEAVE THE REJECTORS OF THIS WONDERFUL GOD WE HAVE to go on drinking their liquor,taking their drugs to dround out their own sins in order to forget about their own guilt, even though it will keep on haunting them, Let them be man with man and woman with woman...let them yell hate crimes to our God-Hating federal Judges, with exception of a few, when we teach our children to be bold about what God says about Homosexuality and other sins God Hates, let them see how they get their freedom while they remove ours, well, they can think they took our freedoms, but according to our God - we have more freedom than they will ever know (at the expense of their own lives.)

The Ten Commandments were originally given to prove that man could not live up to them because of their sin, and their need for a savior was eminently great, but when God finally gave up His only son, offering the only Salvation this world has ever known, and the only set of laws ever given to mankind, that are still, in reality, a part of our legal system today. I mean most people don't just go out and murder somebody everyday do they?, Where does everyone think they got that thought knowledge from? the ground, or from a tree? Who do they think ever gave them that knowledge, just from their own parents? no, I don't think so, because God said he instilled the knowledge of a creator into all men.

This is the life they choose to live, we can pray, but when they act this way, we know that God has already given them over into their sins, and that for some reason of God's generosity when they yell for God at the end of their life and don't have time to turn around and repent...We too will have to give them over, wipe our feet of them that think they are superior to people that God call's HIS SAINTS, and Let God take them the rest of the way to the Pit they have chosen to live out their eternity - in horrible pain, a vomiting-causing, gross stench, bugs and worms crawling all over them and maggots too, a bite from knashing of teeth that won't stop and a huge need to be quenched that will never be met again. We can lead a horse to Water, but at least they will drink, feel better and be blessed, and people call them stupid, haha. If they don't want God's blessings on their life we just have to let them know once, and let God open whatever doors are next.

I am still praying for all of these people in the world to be unblinded long enough to see the very truth they are shoving back into a loving God's face, and I'm praying for all of you to stand Firm with the whole armour of God so that we can all withstand the firey darts of that old dragon/serpent/deceiver, Satan. We know the truth, blessed be those who love Our Lord, I pray blessings on you all, AMEN.

Posted by: DEbL at July 16, 2004 06:55 AM

I have to speak up here - I have been a lifelong Republican, I have worked on the campaigns for both Reagan and Bush, and have served almost 15 years in the military, including both engagements in Iraq. I am the definition of right wing conservative.

I am voting for Kerry this time.

Guys, I have seen what the wars in Iraq were about. Nothing. We have had many good men die over there, and it is very clear to me, and most of the military (including Powell, I suspect) that this war was about making Cheney and his friends wealthy. I'm not even sure Bush knows it, but he is being played.

I have friends who served it Gitmo, and they feel that they have helped create America's first concentration camp - they are having a hard time dealing with it. They are voting for Kerry.

With a heavy heart, I know that it is best for my country to get this administration out of there - not sure that the Democrats are the right alternative, but I do know, in my soul, that we need to get this current gang the heck out of the WhiteHouse.

I won't presume to tell you how to cast your vote, but please, vote with your eyes and ears open, and your mind clear - don't let the fear mongering and emotional propaganda influence you. We are at an incredibly dangerous crossroads right now.

This is not the America I know. I want it back.

Posted by: Matt Shepherd at July 16, 2004 07:40 AM

Bush is a puppet and Cheney is the one pulling the strings.

Posted by: Travis at July 16, 2004 10:05 AM

I would just like to say to all my fellow Republicans, thank you for being there for me and for giving me faith in this country again.
God bless America, the greatest country in the world. May it always remain free.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 16, 2004 10:10 AM

I have to agree with Matt Shepard. The war on iraq was unfounded. I was in full support of the attacks on afghanistan THEY attacked us. Saddaam Hussein and Iraq posed as much of a threat as Bangladesh...Hussein was very secular...he was afraid of Osama and his fundamentalist thinking.

I have nothiing against Bush himself. But I would never vote for him as long as he has the warmongering cabinet that he does of Rumsfeld, Rice Cheney and Powell.

Posted by: jamie cordano at July 16, 2004 11:30 AM

Is Kerry a Catholic
Who is 1)Against Abortion and Does not have the courage to stick up for the unborn.(coward)
2)Against Abortion but covers his political hide by stateing he won't force his belief on people(coward) or
3) Thinks it's fine to destroy human life(beast)

Vote Bush we need Real Leadership for these tough times.

Posted by: New York City at July 16, 2004 12:11 PM

Lets get past the fact that there may or may not be WMD in Iraq. If you look at Saddam, he was an insane dictator. He kill hundreds of thousands of his own people using WMD's among other things. His sons had rape rooms. Where is the liberal outcry, I thought the liberals were against thing like this. I have a feeling if al gore was president and he went after Iraq, all you liberals would be behind him 110%. Most liberals are hypocrits!!!!!

Posted by: David Lowery at July 16, 2004 01:42 PM

I can tell by reading this blog, that you could consider it a conservative forum. Why don't you liberals go to some ultra liberal, hate spewing, control minded, communist website like moveon.org.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 16, 2004 01:46 PM

wake up people dems that is bush loves americia and all of its people so vote BUSH for 2oo4 did u see how phoney kerry looked sucking up to the naacp what a shme that the black people cant see him for what he is bush has more black people in his cabinet than kerry will ever have

Posted by: donald at July 16, 2004 03:17 PM

George Passabet, you are truly an idiot...

How about a few: (Correct responses compared to Georges Santa Barbara College BS)

1. Iraq was involved in one way or another in 9/11. Lie. (Bush never said this. In fact, he stated just the opposite againto clear this Dem spin)
2. Iraq was attempting to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger. Lie. (This was just validated in the UK's final report)
3. There was meeting between Mohammed Atta and Iraqi agents in Prague (from the state of the union speech in 2002) Lie. (Truth, no one knows the content ofthe meetings, but meetings between Al Quida did happen in Germany and Iraq)
4. The economy is growing faster now than it has in twenty years. Lie. (Read the flippen news Moron. It is the best economy in years)
5. He promised to pressure the Saudis through his connections to keep gas prices low. Lie. (No he promised to try to lower prices via talks, then Dems blew up saying he was manipulating the system so he could get more votes. He should talk to them to lower prices regardless of the election. It is his Job idiot)
6. He made the world safer now than three years ago. (There are three times more terror attacks now than ever before). (You remind me of a Ostrich, if you stink your head in the sand, you can't see the trouble outside. We have disturbed the bees nest by taking the battle to their town. The Nest and Bees will be killed soon.)

Now grow up and read a book or two....:)

Posted by: Mark at July 17, 2004 05:05 AM

The fact is that science and logic are the devil's work. Stem-cell research is certainly scientific, yet it is also MURDER. Abortion is murder, and masturbation is murder. In puritan Massachusetts, a woman could be hanged for having pre-marital sex with a demon, today that state tolerates homosexuality, what's wrong with this picture? President Bush has promised even more tax-cuts in the next four years. The liberal media tells you that those tax-cuts only benefit the wealthy, because when the federal government cuts taxes, it forces state governments to raise all of their state taxes, and also raise college tuition, and also raise health-care costs. Well, this is a liberal lie, but even if it isn't, then so what? I mean I really don't like paying taxes, whether it helps people or not. I don't like for anybody else to touch my money.

Posted by: henryclay at July 17, 2004 06:25 AM

I'm someone else voting for Bush! I need not say anything bad about you liberals voting for Kerry - your vote speaks volumes!!

Posted by: Robert S. at July 17, 2004 10:59 PM

Go ahead david lowery, vote for kerry, the next time we are are attacked. kerry proably will be sittin' in a chair gettin his BOTOX shots.

Posted by: Da at July 17, 2004 11:26 PM

This election is VERY, VERY important - more so because of the War on Terrorism and the constant threat of future attacks in the homeland. America needs a strong decisive leader who is not afraid to make tough decisions and stick with it. I believe George Bush has proved himself to be that man.

I think voting for Kerry only because he is not Bush is very dangerous thinking. The war on terror is a new type of war, and with any war mistakes WILL BE MADE.

Remember one thing (especially Bush-bashers) a majority of Americans approved of going to war with Iraq, including Kerry and Edwards. Don't tell me, "oh, but Bush lied" that is complete Bull and it has been proved. America saw the threat and acted, we can't have a weak flip-flopping leader who needs the approval of France and Germany to make a decision.

If Kerry becomes President, the terrorist and the rest of the Anti-Americans will have a major victory. They WILL BE REJOICING in the street and PRAISING Alhah that dumb Americans booted out of office the guy that has killed so many of their fellow murdering buddies. I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to give them that type of VICTORY. Ask yourself who Bin Laden would vote for, and vote the opposite.

What would John Kerry do that is any different from President Bush about Iraq?? He hasn't offered any new ideas. We'd probably be a lot worse off because Kerry can't seem to make any decision without changing his mind several times.

Bush has proving his leadership; he has been through 911, a recision, and two wars. The economy is getting better and we are winning the warrior on terror. Why Change? I think it will do more harm than anything.

Posted by: Ben at July 18, 2004 03:57 PM

In Referrence to Posted by: Jim at July 15, 2004 02:18 PM

Jim and R. Shepherd I see that both of you were so impressed with my posted comment that you took the time to respond, and I thank you both. However, you gave the credit to the wrong person, both of you cited Steven in your responses. By the way Steven is a great guy because he realizes what a joke MR. Bush is. My name is MYKAL M, I am you inspiration. Gentlemen if you are going to call me out on the issues, by all means. But at least afford me the respect to look over the posts carefully enough to get my name correct. Here, let me help, it goes like this:

COMMENT
Posted by: Name, Date, Time

COMMENT
Posted by: Name, Date, Time

And so forth And so on…

Fellas, it’s not that difficult, all you need to do is take the time to look over the information carefully so that you can make the correct call on “tough decisions.” You can’t just go jumping into things without having all the facts, or you can’t just lie and expect no to be called out on it. Guys I’m not trying to belittle or embarrass you in anyway (although I am fairly certain I have), but rather hold you accountable for your lackluster attention to detail. Every person regardless of our position in life must be held accountable for the decisions we make and the actions we take. No individual has a greater burden of accountability and responsibility than that of the President of the United States of America. And just as I am holding you accountable for you mistakes here in this public forum. Mr. Bush will be held accountable for his negligence in office, by being voted out by the citizens who understand the importance of accountability when holding public office. Just like his DADDY was in 1992. It does not surprise me that both of you support Mr. Bush, he is a master at jumping the gun and not paying attention to detail or reasoning, then pointing the finger and not accepting responsibility for his actions.

Posted by: MYKAL M at July 18, 2004 08:52 PM

In Referrence to Posted by: Jim at July 15, 2004 02:18 PM

Now for some responses: Jim, every UN resolution means something that is why the UN exists. Obviously you and the Bush administration to not think highly of institutions that have been pivotal in keeping and insuring world peace, and certainly you don’t care about alienating our oldest allies because you made no reference to that comment.
Certainly Saddam had WMD’s during Bush seniors short tenure, and probably during President Clinton’s administration. But, is the United States to make decisions on taking military action on old info and intelligence. If that is our policy then certainly, alert the troops, an invasion of Cuba is looming, because in the early 1960’s President Kennedy had photos of Russian missiles aimed at the US. It is the job of every entering President to see to it that all info is correct and updated, Mr. Bush FAILED. Whether the info was incorrect or Mr. Bush LIED, he FAILED the American people.
Jim I am glad that your Nephew is enjoying his stay, I wish him a safe and speedy return home. However, there are hundreds of American soldiers how do not wish to fight this war. I have many, many friends in Iraq right now, and there letters home validate this statement. Believe it or not I have not yet seen it, but I have been told that on Michael Moore’s documentary there a large number of soldiers interviewed who share the same sentiment.
I noticed that on the issue of the “No Child Left Behind Act,” your response had very little substance. It is not surprising I have found that most, if not all Bush supporters have very little substance in the defense of their candidate. Your only response was a play on words that basically said, “Mykal, I should have taken your advice and not challenged you on this or any other issue!”
And finally I said I didn’t wish to elaborate on the economy because it is a Joke, and I meant it. You however felt obligated to mention statistics, but failed to cite any. Funny Jim? Not very keen on the elaboration of the economy either huh? It’s okay, I’ll make it easy Jim. Ready? IT’S A JOKE!
In closing your comment, you offered me some suggestions, so let me extend you the same courtesy: I suggest you take your own advice and tone down your rhetoric or you will find that getting the volume toned down my someone like me is quite often uncomfortable and embarrassing. You also suggested that I pay attention to learning how to be a teacher, I remind you that I firmly believe in accountability and therefore am paying close attention. I am confident that I will one day soon be molding young minds. And finally, I am all grown up, maybe more grown up than you bargained for, and more real than you could ever have imagined.

Posted by: MYKAL M at July 18, 2004 09:11 PM

Jeb in Bama, you were kidding when you posted this comment right? You don't really write this way, do you? I am not poking fun, I think it's clever that you incorporated Mr. Bush's grammatical incapacity in you comment to show you support. Mr. Bush and Jeb in Bama are living proof as to why the President needs to properly fund the "No Child Left Behind Act." It seems that Mr. Bush and Jeb in Bama, both got left behind. I mean thecomment was even was edited.

It's grate to sea alls this supports for my man BUSH! His doing a grate job killin all them sand n$#@$*@ in Iraq and all that. Who cares what peeple in other cuntrys think about us anyway becuase we don't need anything from anyone. Them tererists were gunna get us but he got them first!

Posted by: MYKAL M at July 19, 2004 04:34 AM

Da, what do you mean by "the next time we are attacked"? President Bush has defeated the terrorists!! Please stop your America-bashing.

Posted by: henryclay at July 19, 2004 07:58 AM

Hey Da, I am going to vote for bush, what gave you the Idea that I was for kerry.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 19, 2004 08:19 AM

Da, what do you mean by "the next time we are attacked"? President Bush has defeated the terrorists!! Please stop your America-bashing.

Posted by: henryclay at July 19, 2004 07:58 AM

Gee henry, that was just a scenario if that thing kerry were to happened to be elected. I just figure if kerry gets in thats where kerry will be getting his "BOTOX" shots, while terriorist are attacking us. They made an issue of President Bush reading to the children.
America bashing is one thing I would never do.
I love America, our President, and everyone who loves America. I was born American, will always be American. And have never had a desire to leave
American soil.

Posted by: Da at July 19, 2004 10:22 AM

I can't believe the number of people that are voting here because the president wears his religion on his sleave.

Or those who use "liberal" as a euphamism for "commie", use the communist barb, and then accuse "liberals" of hate-spewing. Let's not forget about the way you people talk about the french (a republic which was born out of a revolution on which your own was based). Oh, and then the hypocrasy accusations. There's just a special irony about a hypocritical hypocrasy accusation.

Vote for bush because God is on his side. Vote based on religion, don't vote for Kerry because all the EVIDENCE of what Bush has done is all based on lies of the "liberal media".

Wake up people, there is no liberal media. Although thinking you can't make an informed decision, so just trust the Bible and nothing else - well we all know who that kind of attitude is working for.

Posted by: Aaron at July 19, 2004 01:22 PM

There are two economies. The stock market for the rich, and jobs for those not rich.

One looks better the other doesn't, it depends on which one you are in.

Posted by: Big Daddy at July 19, 2004 05:46 PM

After reading many of the comments on this page, one struck me as particularly stupid. Congratulations "Christian Lafferty," you actually made me laugh out loud! You are a MORON...M-O-R-O-N. One of the central tenets of the United States' government is, get this, THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Did you get that? Can you believe it? The separation of church and state... I think I can smell the brimstone! But wait, we've been around for more than 200 years. We've fought and won in two World Wars and we're the world's only superpower. Those are only two of our accomplishments, but they're pretty impressive, aren't they? And guess what? We did it without ever coming to embrace the ideas of s%$#-heads like you. While we thought for ourselves and rose to become powerful (all the while THINKING, unlike you Christian zealots). You are truly the anti-American. Your religious fanaticism reminds me of the "terrorists" (al-Quaeda, etc.), that George Bush has presented to the American people. You scare me just as much as the terrorists do, because you are unwilling or unable to USE YOUR F$%&#@! MIND. To explain why you scare me, which I'm sure you just can't understand, I will quote the beginning of your ridiculous post:
"After much prayer and Bible study, I have come to the conclusion that God is very upset by the liberal disease which has infected this nation, and has caused people to consider voting for John Kerry and his disciple John Edwards."
Now, this clearly is not a demonstration of the separation of church and state. If you rely on talking to yourself and PRETENDING that you receive answers from a divine force (i.e. praying), you are the following:
1) ANTI-AMERICAN
2) Unable to think (because you need dumb-asses like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity to shove their views down your throat so that you can declare that YOU, have a view of your own, which you don't, because you allow your self to be force-fed ideas, which you readily accept).
3)One of the people who give Christianity a bad name.

Let me give you some advice (and consider it, before you label me one of the members of the lost flock (or whatever f%$#-heads like you call thinking people). Try thinking, NOT PRAYING. I promise doing this will aid you in making the right decision, more so than praying does. By the way, I'm one of the guys who FIGHTS to make sure America is safe, 101st Airborne, 3rd Infantry Battalion (I served in Iraq, and I can tell you we didn't belong there. George Bush made us go in, though). Therefore, I'm pretty sure that makes me a true American. Anyways, my ignorant, supposedly-Christian friend, think about what I've said, please. It's the least you could do for what I've done to protect this country.

Love,
A True American

PS: I did some Bible study and praying and, funny thing, god told me the exact opposite of everything you said. Weird...Maybe this means that PRAYING DOESN'T WORK. It may comfort you (which is fine), but it is not a tool to be used in making decisions. I can't write anymore, because I think actually reading and commenting on the s%$# you posted on this site, has made my brain go numb.
(Edited)

Posted by: A True American at July 20, 2004 02:11 AM

President Bush is a great religious man that didn't raise taxes like the democrats always do!!
John Fairy Kerry is a sick man and needs a lot of help!! He hit on that dyke bitch Hillary the bitch Clinton!!! He also asked to cut the Intelligence budget by (1) BILLION DOLLARS in 1994-95!! He would let us all die fast!! He is for gay unions/marriages and I can't stand to see that sick bastard hugging is unqualified Hillbilly running mate. Bush is leading big in North Carolina and that should tell you what they think about the former ambulance chaser lawyer Edwards who made millions off a B.S. lawsuits against small businesses and put a lot of them out of business. He's a crook just like Kerry and his Bitch wife. Kerry even said his running mate was unqualified for the Vice President role when they were campaigning against each other. Now he says he's plenty qualified. He said that Edwards was is first choice when in fact Senator John MCain was his first choice and he denied that but I heard hit from Senator MCain's mouth on the Jay Leno show tonight. He said he was asked first to be his running mate and said no. Kerry is a lying bastard and a liberal one at that. Isn't funny how the same sex marriages came from his home State of Mass. We outght to seperate that state from the Union and any other one that wants to go that way. At least President Bush had the balls to try and get a ammendment against gay marriages and to state that a marriage is between a man and woman!!! We don't need to be another Sodem and Gomora and have the wrath of GOD on our wonderful Country!!
God Bless America and President Bush aznd his family always. Kerry is a boring ugly pig ass lying liberal. And he has missed over a hundred of the votes in the Senate while he has been campaigning. He should have stepped down and let someone else make the votes like supporting our troops in Iraq with the best equipment. He doesn't give a damn and if he is so sure that he will win then why didn't step down from his Senate seat? He will get his ass kicked on the debates and how he lies and changes his mind all the time. Also the gay marriage will do him in!!!!
Sincerely
Pete G.

Posted by: Peter G. at July 20, 2004 03:17 AM

Our country started out on as a faith based nation, now people are trying to end religion as we know it. This just shows that satan is getting his word out and the weak people are not strong enough to fight him off.
Go President Bush.

Posted by: Da at July 20, 2004 04:25 AM

John Kerry and the Satan-worshipping democratic party are working to destroy this nation. The liberal media tells people that the only god is "love" and the only devil is "hate". These are both liberal lies, for the Holy Bible tells Christians that there is but one true God, and he is a jealous God. We are working to bring the blessings of democracy, capitalism, and Christianity to the people of Iraq, and we can't stop now. Taxes are immoral, stem-cell research is murder, God's most sacred nation, the USA, must not tolerate these unholy programs. President Bush is God's most humble servant, he will smite all who disagree with him, because disagreeing with the president during an election year is a sign of disloyalty!! After much prayer and bible study, I have concluded that God plans to destroy the entire human race if the American people are arrogant enough to elect John Kerry and his unholy disciple, John Edwards.

Posted by: henryclay at July 20, 2004 11:12 AM

"A True American", what a silly name for someone like you. That was MY post you were mocking earlier, my name sir, is henryclay. I don't really know who Christian Lafferty is. Let me tell you something, Benedict Arnold was also a member of the military, but he was not a loyal American, and NEITHER ARE YOU!! Who are you to question President Bush and Almighty God?! You are obviously an atheist, if we elect John Kerry, God will destroy us all, only President Bush and his family will be saved. The only reason you live and breath is because President Bush and Almighty God allow you to. The Holy Bible tells us not to think for ourselves, but to follow it blindly and loyally, that is faith. Jesus often referred to the human race as sheep, and do you know why that is? Because he expected us to follow his word without question and without doubt. Only those who "truly" accept Jesus as their personal lord and saviour are allowed to enter God's kingdom. Upon death, Almighty God scans each person for any trace of doubt, if any doubt is found, then that person is immediately cast into the lake of fire.

Posted by: henryclay at July 20, 2004 11:31 AM

This country was founded by people willing toi think for themselves, and CREATE THEIR OWN RELIGEON, which most of you now seem to follow blindly WITHOUT THINKING. You'd rather strip our basic rights away, just so that we can ban abortion and gay marraige. Well, you know what? It will be on your heads, when we continue to loose our say as americans, because the "right-wing" wants to control us and use us to make them profit, and to push their world domination. Welcome to the world of the Neo-Cons. and if you dont start thinking for yourself, your right to think for you7rself will be stripped away, and its already beginning... just look at all this talk of "Anti-patriotism and "terrorists/enemy combatants". must we resort to hate? The Lefties, the liberals, only want freedom, and rights! We arent working for satan, nor do we want to force christians into having abortions, or marrying your same sex friends. Dont you understand that this country was founded on FREEDOM!!!! and thats exactly what you're advocating against. Its descrimination and unequal rights, that cause the problems in this country. Its the ignorace to the american ideals that cause the problems in this country.
I think Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said ""people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be."

go to www.johnkerry.com; You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe.
Read about his life, read about the issues that are important to him. Don't just vote against him because he doesnt want to deny womens rights to choice, or a gays right to equal rights. Those are basic ideals of america. "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal"
I am not pro-abortion, I dont personally think its right, but on the same token, would you like to have your right to make the desicion to have children taken away?
oh and...Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us (the USA), Israel, North Korea and Iran as the greatest threats to world peace. I would hope that we can swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it.
Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world thanks to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration.
Wake UP AMERICA! THIS ELECTION IS NOT SO BLACK AND WHITE!

Posted by: Peace + Love at July 20, 2004 01:40 PM

What is wrong with you people? Get up off your butts and start speaking out against liberal immorality and oppression!! Don't be intimidated, we can allow God to work through us, or we can allow Satan to work through us. Stand up for this country and the moral values it was founded on!! All conservatives can join together and deal a collective upper-cut to the liberal opposition in this country.

Posted by: henryclay at July 20, 2004 03:20 PM

I wish all of you people would stop using god. There are plenty of reasons to vote for Bush. We don't need to give the Left any more ammo to use against us. I am a christian, I beleive that GOD is very important to this country, but most liberals are athiest. The argument useing GOD falls on deaf ears. If you wish to sway a liberal, tell them how if Kerry is elected, our taxes will go way up. That if your not poor you will get taxed even more.(I don't mean you are rich either, middle class will get taxed the most.) Do you think that a rich fat cat like Kerry will raise his own taxes? He may put up a front like he is, but he will leave many a loop hole to slime through. Like I said GOD is the reason this country is great, but liberals don't understand that, and they never will.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 20, 2004 03:43 PM

I think some of you guys are mixing up me with someone else. This is what I posted on the 15th of July...

"George W. Bush is the man! I think that he handled 9/11 with courage and the war with Iraq with determination. The people of this country will slowly see in the next few months President Bush's economic plan really take place. The ball has already began to roll and in my opinion, this economic plan is going to have a positive snowball effect. Even with all of the outsourcing that is going on, President Bush has managed to maintain his economic promises. Mr. Kerry brings nothing new to the table and he is telling the American people everything they want to hear. Mr. Kerry is blowing smoke and is not fit to be a president. The best thing going for Mr. Kerry is his true running-mates, Michael Moore and the 100% LIBERAL MEDIA. Edwards who?

I am a Christian and God is very important to me, but did not mention God in my previous comment. For everybody that cannot read these comments correctly...the comment comes first, then the name of the person who wrote the comment, not the other way around. Before you pick me apart, READ THE CORRECT COMMENT, OTHERWISE YOU LOOK IGNORANT.

Posted by: Christian Lafferty at July 20, 2004 06:06 PM

"TRUE AMERICAN", MY LAST COMMENT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU. YOUR COMMENT ABOUT ME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS HENRY CLAY. LEARN HOW TO READ THIS PAGE CORRECTLY OR DO NOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT ALL!!

Posted by: Christian Lafferty at July 20, 2004 06:10 PM

I have a request of all you Bible reading Americans. If the founders of this country were so Christian and soooooooo into making this country a Christan nation, why is there absolutely no reference or direct quote from the Bible (after all it was essentially the same book back then) in any of our founding documents? Just a question this student of American history asks all you well-educated Christians who can obviously think for yourselves. I am not talking references to a multidenominational God. I am asking for scripture, you know, chapter and verse. Like in the book of Leviticus it says eating shellfish is an abomination. How many of you eat shrimp? Just a question for the hypocrites. Thank you.
Now, one last thing. This country began with people who were fleeing religious persecution, can we at least agree on that? So please, put down your Bible and watch your backside. Bush is screwing us all.

Posted by: Rexie at July 20, 2004 09:40 PM

Our fore fathers made sure that SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE was in our Constitution because our country was founded by people who were running from religious persecuation in their own countries. They wanted America to be a land where anyone could come to escape the social injustices of their own countries and be protected NO MATTER WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN.

Also, STEM CELL RESEARCH IS NOT MURDER. Stem cell research has the potential to SAVE MANY, MANY LIVES. They can do amazing things with stem cells. Scientists aren't even allowed to continue with research to learn the full capabilities. If research was allowed, I AM SURE that they would find cures for many ailments that humans do not have the medicine to combat now. They have the potential to grow entire organs from stem cells. This means if you need an organ transplant, instead of waiting for the death of a person whose blood type and tissue matches yours perfectly, they could grow one using your personal DNA.

And who do you think you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her own body? BANNING ABORTION WILL NOT STOP PREMARITAL SEX. It will prevent young mothers from having children that they cannot financially or emotionally support. Allowing abortions saves lives by giving these young women who messed up another chance. And trust me, no woman wants to have an abortion. That still means YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY HER OPTION.

TO EVERYONE WHO LOVES BUSH. Have you ever noticed he can not go into a press conference without having prepared questions and answers? That is because HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. I am not going to say the man is an idiot, but I will say that he is a spoiled brat who wanted to be president because daddy was. He has no idea what is really going on. He is so detached from the American public. He just does what they tell him to do. They being all the selfish slime he surrounds himself with.

As for gay marriage, once again our Constitution declares that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. Race, sex, religion, sexuality, hair color, height, occupation.... you can not discriminate on any level. Banning a union between two people because they are the same sex goes against a principle that is part of the back bone of this country.

What disgusts me most is that THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE PATRIOTIC AND AMERICAN ARE THE ONES WHO DISREGARD ALL THE PRINCIPLES THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

~ Theodore Roosevelt

Posted by: Wendy C at July 21, 2004 01:38 AM

If Bush lied ABOUT WMD's then

BILL CLINTON LIED!
THE UNITED NATIONS LIED!
THE DEMOCRATS LIED!
THE LIBERAL MEDIA LIED!

WAKE UP FOOLS!!!

Posted by: 'W' O4 at July 21, 2004 03:19 AM

Wendy C., Please show me in the constitution where it says "seperation of church and state."
No where in the constitution does it say this. please read it, don't just asume that it is there.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 21, 2004 10:48 AM

Wendy C, Has no one heard of birth control. Abortion is not a form of birth control. Its murder plan and simple. You mean to tell me that the baby is at fault because the mom got pregnant? This crazy. There are several forms of birth control out there so you don't have to get pregnant if you don't want to. The baby gets to die because the mother or father was not responsible enough to use protection. Give me a break. I suppose it would have been ok for your mom to abort you. I'm all for a woman's rights, I just happen to think you should not punish a baby for his/her parents mistakes.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 21, 2004 10:57 AM

Peace and love, The rest of the world hates us for several things. The fact that we don't want to bow to the rest of the world, we want to stay a seperate country form the rest of the world and not join the NWO. We are one of the richest and freest country's, plan and simple, they are jealous of us. I'm proud of this country, we have to fight terrorist where they are, not just wait for them to come to us, if we do then it is too late. I suppose you were proud that the terrorist killed 3000 people on 9/11.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 21, 2004 11:04 AM

As a tax-payer, I am sick and tired of paying taxes for things like free health-care, free education, stem-cell research, and free retirement. I say that you should work until you drop dead, that's the way the founding fathers intended it. I am unwilling to pay for socialistic, big-government programs, but I am willing to pay hundreds of billions of dollars, or whatever it takes, to allow the Iraqi people to live in a democratic nation. Democracy and capitalism is America's gift to the world, it was our gift to France in WWII, but they repaid us by spitting in our president's face. Freedom was our gift to England, when we rescued them from the Nazi invasion, and they, at least, had the decency to aid America in our war on terror.

Posted by: henryclay at July 21, 2004 12:07 PM

Wendy C your moral compass is broken :(

Posted by: Jeff S at July 21, 2004 04:30 PM

oh and wendy C the baby's life isnt part of the womens life. the baby's life is seperate from the women's life and if a woman has sex and than gets pregnant it is the woman's fault and not the baby's. Thats why the christian religion requires one to get married before having sex to keep from making single parents. oh and plenty of people are willing to adopt a child or two. A lot of these things are common sense and most dems are lacking it.

Posted by: Jeff S at July 21, 2004 04:41 PM

I feel George Bush represents the people of the United States and their true values. I am tired of people such as John Kerry, John Edwards, Bill Clinton telling us how much "they are for the little guy" and "I feel your pain"! How can you liberal democrats believe the dribble, I have worked for several years building my own business, I have nothing against anyone having money..that is what America is all about!! When is the last time these jerks paid for anything, they don't even know the type of cars they own or feel any pain spending over $2.00 per gallon for fuel.

People need to realize that you cannot negotiate with terrorists, if we don't go after them, do you liberal, politically correct people think they won't come after us on our soil! If you think that..REMEMBER SEPT. 11, 2001!! Was that a figment of our imagination? I don't think so! They (terrorists) want us dead, period.

God bless George Bush....I can't wait to see the landslide on 11/2 for GW; than the liberal media can finally drop the line..."he stole the presidency".

Keep going Mr. Prsident...FOUR MORE YEARS!!

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2004 09:35 PM

The undecideds and those currently indicating support for Ralph Nader will hand the victory to Kerry come November. There will be some last minute usual dirty tricks by the GOP but its already decided folks ..that's why Kerry and Edwards look so happy...PS there is no real economic recovery- even the stock market is slumping, interest rates on the rise and wages going lower.

Posted by: Dave R at July 21, 2004 09:46 PM

Bush is not deserving of another Term. The only way you should judge Bush is by his Record! Iraq-FAILURE! Economy-FAILURE! Education-FAILURE! Leadership-FAILURE! Show Bush the Door in 2004.

Posted by: jarrettx at July 21, 2004 10:45 PM

Let me ask you something, where was Michael Moore during the Vietnam war? I don't know, but I do know that he was not fighting the VC like George W. Bush was, President Bush volunteered for service in Vietnam and was wounded in action and received the purple heart, he saved the life of his fellow soldiers and received the silver star. Meanwhile back in the United States, John Kerry was spending his time partying and drinking, then his father pulled some strings to get him into the National Guard so that he could avoid the draft. Anyone who criticizes our president is in league with Satan! Although it was perfectly acceptable to attack Bill Clinton because he was a democrat, while he was in office I drove around with a confederate flag on the bumber of my car, but ever since President Bush took office, I have replaced the Confederate flag with an American one, GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: henryclay at July 22, 2004 10:41 AM

One thing, I know republicans love to speak of working hard for success, which is fine. But some of us don't want that out of life, we want to work hard enough to live our lives with some comfort and enjoy the rest in our choice of 'free time'. Why should that attitude be punished? Why is it that the only life worth living is one where we cut throats and work all day every day to make the most money possible?
Politically I've been defused to a mostly moderate position from all the irrational hate and contempt and arrogance from both left and right. All I want out of life is to live comfortably and pursue art.
Mostly, I see the Democrats as more likely to let that happen, since the Republicans will preach to me, tell me how to live my life, and do almost nothing to protect me from corporate abuses. Some Democrats are dumbasses, sure, but because they encompass the more liberal section of thought they have more range of opinions and strategies, I'm more likely to find a Democrat I can agree with.

Kerry...not a good choice, but Bush, won't be happy until I'm forced to choose a Jesus-following faith and am not allowed to say a word against him.

Posted by: Eric at July 22, 2004 03:45 PM

I don�t know how anyone who knows about the human reproduction system and the development of a fetus that can argue that life begins at conception. Conception is 2 single cells uniting. In the beginning, a human is as primitive of a life form as an amoeba. I strongly believe that after 6 weeks abortion is murder, but up to the point you are not killing a person.
Also, I am not talking about abortion as a form of birth control. You seemed to have missed the part where I said most woman don�t want to go through that kind of experience. But when you are dealing with people who live in poverty and are uneducated, most of the time birth control isn�t an option. Conservatives believe safe sex is immoral to teach in schools. They also believe that free birth control or handing out condoms in high school is immoral. Well, you tell me how the hell to control the problem of ignorance about birth control and unwanted pregnancies when no one is willing to help the people who are suffering most from this.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 22, 2004 04:35 PM

I am sorry, I did make a mistake Mr. Lowery. The separation of church and state is our first amendment right, which is part of the Bill of Rights which is an addition to the Constitution, but not part of the original. Thank you for helping me clarify exactly where the issue is addressed.

Amendment I
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don�t know how you can interpret that any other way, but I think it is saying in plain English that using morals written in the Bible to dictate law is clearly against our basic beliefs because it alienates all those who do not agree with your form of religion or the religious book you choose to follow.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 22, 2004 04:52 PM

I just got back from Iraq- I'm in the 3rd ACR and I'll tell you this much- there aren't many of us that want Kerry to win. NO SOLDIER wants him. We know that we are fighting for a good cause. I have seen what those people in Iraq had to live with. For the most part they are very happy we are there. Can't you people see? We are fighting against Muslim extremists here. They want the US destroyed! Kerry won't do any good against them! VOTE BUSH! That's the only way to really support your troops!

Posted by: Justin at July 22, 2004 06:09 PM

Bush is not deserving of another Term. The only way you should judge Bush is by his Record! Iraq-FAILURE! Economy-FAILURE! Education-FAILURE! Leadership-FAILURE! Show Bush the Door in 2004.

Posted by: jarrettx at July 21, 2004 10:45 PM

Hmmm Jarrettx where did you get this information? As far as i know everything in Iraq has been a success. Operation Iraqi Freedom is almost complete. Saddam is out of there. They have a president and they have what us Americans have and take for granted, which is freedom. Economy isnt bush's fault. As far as i know education is fine in America. Sure we only dont have as many letters in our alphabet like the chinese do but our country is pretty successful in about everything. Leadership in my opinion and others is also a success and the majority of the poll votes also believe that he has been a successful president

Posted by: Jeff S at July 22, 2004 11:37 PM

Ms. Lyons, I am really interested in your comment about G.W.'s personal oil company. Which one is it?

Posted by: Vinicio at July 23, 2004 07:03 AM

Have you ever noticed that George Bush looks like Howdy Doody, and John Kerry looks like Herman Munster?

Posted by: Todd Tomlinson at July 24, 2004 12:11 AM

OMG!!!!!!!!!Im not replying to anyone, im showing my view so hear me out, JESUS, OK Well I am not against Michael Moore totally, i mean i dont wanna see F 9/11, But I saw Bowling for Columbine which was very good, except for near the end of the film, which was clearly after 9/11. All the sudden in the movie he just starts bashing Bush, But anywho, if you havent heard, 3 nuclear warheads were found in Iraq, um, not very clear yet, but pretty sure, and even if this is not true, we had knowledge that Saddam killed over 250,000 of his own people. Serin gas I believe, not too sure on that. And the whole failure in Afganistan thing is so rediculous!!!!!!!! If you dont own a brain, then buy one and program this in it. We won the war on terror in afgan, um since our mission was to take the Taliban out of control, in which we did. We have killed or captured 70% of al qaeda, and there arent numbers so that could be hundreds, or thousands or hundreds of thousands, not clear. But when you see the 800 sum odd deaths the USA has you automatically think they are winning. I think i heard about one, just one, of our air strikes that killed 300 ppl, !!!300!!!!!!! thats about half of our casualties, seems like we be winnin, I aint sayin Vote for Bush( I am votin for him) but if u wanna vote for a moron, than vote for Kerry, the man that is a critic to Bush no matter the occassion, just as long as he brainwashes you morons (Kerry Lovers) to believe Bush is an idiot

Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2004 02:13 AM

President Bush makes me feel more secure than Mr. Kerry. Security is my major concern, what good is economy, health care or any other internal issue, if we are not as safe as we can be?
President Bush all the way!!!

Posted by: Mayda at July 24, 2004 09:40 AM

All Americans should be grateful that President's Reagan and Bush were such strong allies of Saddam Hussein during the decade of the 1980s, Saddam was a valuable tool to use against the Ayatollah Khomeni in Iran. Reagan and Bush gave Iraq high-powered weapons defense systems needed to fight the war against Iran. If someone like John Kerry or Michael Moore had been president then, Iraq never would have gotten those weapons that they needed. We need a strong leader like President Bush.

Posted by: henryclay at July 24, 2004 05:43 PM

OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF

How often you people on the left over look this part!

Posted by: Jim D at July 24, 2004 06:18 PM

Hello,

I am a 22 year old military professional with a wife and 2 kids. I write this to ask for your support in the struggle currently being waged world wide against a foe that considers us enemies of God. My wife and I just watched the movie Farenheit 9/11 today. As I sit here and write to you I am sickened at the thoughts that I am reflecting back on. History once knew a time where two sides of american culture collided and sentiments like that reflected in the movie Farenheit 9/11 were represented loudly. In that time in history , the 60's and 70's young men like myself came home for a brutal war that many of them did'nt have a choice in fighting, to be spat on, ran out of towns and demagoged as "Baby killers". These sentiments were reflected by elitist's with such names as Jane Fonda, John Lennon, and none other than John Kerry. Now I am a simple guy who prefers simple ways, but it
does not take a brilliant individual to see that the current struggle that we military men and women are engaged in is that of a just one. We fight an ideology that for centuries has beheaded and maimed, brutalized, and oppressed. We are fighting a culture that sends its young men and women into coffee shops, and pizza parlors with bombs strapped to themselves, with
ambitions of only to cripple, maime, and kill. We fight the ideology, culture and , mindset that flew planes into buildings one September day, we fight brutal people that cut the heads off of innocent civilians while shouting
praises to God. No, it does not take much intuition to see that our cause is for good, and I implore you to support us military men and women as we win this war. I ask you from one American to another to reject ideology,
propaganda, and eliteist pressure and stand by our president George W. Bush in this upcoming election. I plead with you, take heed of the lessons learned from Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf War 1, lets finish the job. This is not a law
enforcement endeavor , or a multinational dragnet, this is a struggle for our way of life, this is a struggle against evil, and we,my friends, have the virtue of being on the side of good. Abraham Lincoln once said "It is not wise to change horses in mid stream" Abraham Lincoln was right!

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 25, 2004 01:06 AM

thats how i feel mayda

Posted by: Jeff S at July 26, 2004 12:43 AM

I don�t know how anyone who knows about the human reproduction system and the development of a fetus that can argue that life begins at conception. Conception is 2 single cells uniting. In the beginning, a human is as primitive of a life form as an amoeba. I strongly believe that after 6 weeks abortion is murder, but up to the point you are not killing a person.
Also, I am not talking about abortion as a form of birth control. You seemed to have missed the part where I said most woman don�t want to go through that kind of experience. But when you are dealing with people who live in poverty and are uneducated, most of the time birth control isn�t an option. Conservatives believe safe sex is immoral to teach in schools. They also believe that free birth control or handing out condoms in high school is immoral. Well, you tell me how the hell to control the problem of ignorance about birth control and unwanted pregnancies when no one is willing to help the people who are suffering most from this.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 22, 2004 04:35 PM

I'm sorry Wendy C. That is a bunch of B.S..
I'm not wealty, I grew up poor. My family was on welfare, but I knew about birth control when I was in 6th grade. Maybe those people should pay more attention in school. If you conceive the child, then you should go all the way, again it's not the babys fault two people could not control themselves until he got the condem on or she could not take her pills when she was suppose to. I believe that the only time for an abortion is when the mothers life is in danger or if she was raped. I'm all for womans rights, but I'm also for unborn babies rights.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 26, 2004 09:16 AM

I must say while some of you have very strong opinions I am quite undecided. The reason for my indecision lies in the fact that while I like Bush’s social/moral issues, I don’t like the way he decided to turn his back on the real issue of our country being threatened by Osama and his terrorist network in favor of risking the lives of young Americans for the oil interests, to appease the Israeli politicians, and to revenge the attempted assassination on his father by Hussein.

Also I value the beautiful yet quickly depreciating natural environment of this nation. If Bush has his way the logging companies will control the forestation programs, the oil companies will control the pristine habitats of Alaska and the poles, and industries will have virtual freedom to dump their wastes in our waterways,

Kerry, on the other hand, I like some things about (not Edward with his gollllly geeee smile), like his dove-like concerns for peace and his concern for the environment. But the fact that he is afraid to take a solid stand on any issue and the fact that his social issues are so far left that he almost falls of the globe, scares me.

I wish Kerry would take a more solid and decisive position against the war and for the environment. His social issues boil down to letting people do want they want, where they want, when they want, as long as it is not in his house. He would have the US as a multilingual country (what’s wrong with English!) and pay for every immigrants ( whether legal or illegal) education, while people like me who could barely afford college struggled to pay for my education just because I am not on the favored minority list. Instead of wanting to give our money to people just because of their nationality, color, sexual orientation or etc… he should initiate programs with government and businesses, to create jobs of value that breed loyalty and inspire the will to achieve based on ones abilities, rather than expecting free handouts because they have divergent external characteristics or social behaviors.

Your input and opinion is appreciated.

Posted by: JimG at July 26, 2004 02:11 PM

I strongly support our president, and I strongly hate liberals. I am a veteran of the national guard, just like our honorable president. I am happy to pour a trillion dollars or more into Iraq if it will allow them to live in a democratic society. I am not however, willing to pay a single penny for a big-government social program. This election is about values, I support President Bush in opposing same-sex marriage, pre-marital sex, abortion, gays in the military, and opposing stem-cell research. Any American who is a Christian should support our president, as he is the only one running who supports a biblical plan for America.

Posted by: henryclay at July 26, 2004 08:45 PM

Let me ask YOU something, Jarrettx. Where did you get information stating that shows that George W. Bush was wounded in Vietnam and, more importantly, even fought there (i.e. your sources)? Just curious, beause he didn't. If you respect the man you were talking about, I've got some news for you! It was John Kerry who did the things you have incorrectly stated (or lied about). George Bush was in the airforce during Vietnam. But, he was in the Texas Air National Guard, and he never saw action, and he was never wounded. George Bush was the guy who was partying and drinking and all the other stuff you accuse John Kerry of, and it was George Bush's father who pulled some strings so he wouldn't have to go to war. Again, where did you get this information?

James R.

Posted by: James R. at July 26, 2004 09:07 PM

To all Bush-supporters, I have bad news for you. Once the debates are held, George W. Bush WILL BE SCREWED (considering he even attends, which I would not be surpirised if he did not given the impossibility of defending the lies he uses to support himself). Lies don't stand up to facts when presented with them. I look forward to John Kerry being elected president, and America getting back on track.

Have fun considering this sobering information.

Posted by: Jake G. at July 26, 2004 09:16 PM

To anyone uncertain about who to vote for,
Considering George Bush's track-record as president, does it matter who becomes president as long as it's not him? Vote for anyone but Bush, and do so based upon whether or not the person will win. If you love america, just make sure your vote won't help Bush, because he's destroying our country.

Posted by: Brian D. at July 26, 2004 09:21 PM

There are two types of Americans, PATRIOTS who support President Bush, and TRAITORS who support John "Satan" Kerry. Men do not have the right to marry other men, women do not have the right to an abortion, people do not have the right to smoke marijuana joints, teachers do not have the right to teach godless evolution to our children.

Posted by: henryclay at July 26, 2004 09:45 PM

Let's See... Clintons Mid-1990's tax hikes (world's LARGEST IN HISTORY) finally kicked into full effect about 4-5 years after they were enacted... in 2000, under CLINTONISTAS WATCH mind you, the largest stockmarkets in the world lost MORE THAN 50% of their value... Bush wasn't even selected yet! The job shedding began in 2000... The Terrorists were let to have free reign during the Clintonistas. Soon after the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, that blind old islamo-fascist was put in prison... In his apartment they found plans for ramming planes into buildings... Not possible they thought and ignored it. The Clintonistas didnt kill the terrorists, so now they killed 3000+ of ours.
In comes BUSH!.... Fixes the Economy, which starts producing MASS amounts of jobs (75%+ are HIGH paying WHite collar jobs... See Bureau of Labor Statistics), Kills terrorists, and hunts them down around the globe. Suddenly BUSH is the bad guy?? moahahaha.... Suure..
Oh, and Kerry says in his 8 years, he wants to make 10 million new jobs... Hot dang... we need to SLOW the Bush Economy for it to only make 10 million jobs in 8 years... We will make 2 million+ jobs this year alone! It will create a LOT MORE than 10 million jobs over 8 years... ha ha ha... What a crock Jo-Kerry is... moahahaha.... I laugh.. And he is even behind in the polls in California! California will be REAGAN Country Again... You watch! 62% of people voted conservative in the last recall election here in Cali... 62%!!!!! HA HA HA HAHA!!
57 more for Bush!
Smell ya later loohoo-zeeeheeers

Posted by: KingRichard at July 27, 2004 01:37 AM

Henry Clay, do you have any idea how ignorant you sound with your bible thumping BS? Calling Kerry satan does not defend your "savior" Mr. Bush. I dont even believe in God, but I know Bush will go to hell long before Kerry will.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 27, 2004 08:30 AM

Wendy, Since you don't believe in God, how do you know there is a hell? Hell is living in a society with people who live Godless lives. Godless people tend to have standards that change with the wind. What ever suits them is the standard. Bush has a foundation of faith that is older than this nation. There is a reason America is so great. We were founded on sound principles. Our Founding Fathers established this country on a biblical foundation.

Posted by: Carol at July 27, 2004 10:26 AM

Hey King Richard, I am sure most of those jobs are high paying white collar because Bush could care less about anybody making an honest living off of hard work. By all means, all those CEOs work really hard, thinking of the next way to screw the people. They are a bunch of greedy hogs who have no regard for those around them. There is so much money in this country it is insane, but most of it is in the pockets of those fat cats. I would rather make a decent living with free health care and other social benefits than live in a society where our president and government manipulates the people of his country so that his rich, greedy friends can get even more cash. Especially when they are making money off the death and destruction of another people and their country.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 27, 2004 11:57 AM

I am a woman and I know about all the kinds of birth control. And sometimes birth control fails. It has failed me not once, but twice. I have luckily been able to handle the situation without having to consider abortion. But some women aren't so lucky.
My good friend Jim and his girlfriend were using birth control. He now has a baby at the ripe old age of 20. He was one of the most brilliant men I have ever met and was no doubt going far in life. Now he works two dead end jobs trying to support his daughter and girlfriend. Where there was once a vibrant, energetic, excited young man, all that remains is a haggard shell of pessimism. No doubt he loves his daughter, but it hurts him everyday knowing that he can not provide for her the way his parents provided for him.
I knew a girl in high school who wasn't very bright but she had a good heart. She met the man of her dreams who "loved" her. She couldnt afford birth control and he preferred the "pull out" method. Now she has a baby, the man who "loved" her has left, she has been thrown out by her parents and she has nothing to offer the child she is now forced to raise.
Besides my friend Jim, I dont know many men who wouldn't bail as soon as they impregnanted a girl. Until men know what it is like to go through a pregnancy as a young woman who has been turned away by everyone because of a single bad choice she made, then I dont think anyone has the right to tell her that she can not have an abortion. Men are just as much at fault as woman, but they are never held accountable because they dont have to carry it around for 9 months. And after all the hurt and pain that some of these girls endure, they continue to suffer from that pain because they can not provide the life they think their child deserves. I think adoption is a wonderful option, but she still has to endure all the ridicule and nasty comments that people feel she deserves. People make bad desicions all the time, and I think that is no reason to induce suffering on a person for not only the rest of their life, but for the rest of their child's life. Abortion is not murder until the fetus can survive on it's own. Until then, it is part of her body and it is her right to do what she wants with her body.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 27, 2004 12:17 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, Satan has nominated two of his most powerful disciples, John Kerry and John Edwards, in an attempt to defeat God's most humble servant, President George Walker Bush. We must all stand up for our president, we must all stand up for conservatism. We will defeat Satan and all of his liberal followers this November. According to a new Washington Post poll, President Bush's approval ratings are soaring through the roof!! While John Kerry's are going downhill fast. All of this is happening while the Satanic convention is occuring in Boston, TAX-achusetts. John Kerry is supposed to be the one who gets the bounce, NOT PRESIDENT BUSH, LOL!!! Just think of how popular he will be after the republican convention.

Posted by: henryclay at July 27, 2004 01:43 PM

KingRichard, you are dum.

-Effects of tax hikes being delayed are complete conjecture

-Stock market motion had everything to do with overvalued dot-com revolution, nothing to do with presidency. Try looking at the net gain in the stock market over the whole of the Clinto presidency. Ya.....

-Bush himself ignored intelligence reports (see 9/11 commission), and it happened on HIS watch.

-75% of high paying jobs you talk about are due to the fact that Bush has expandanded public sector DRAMATICALLY, virtually all those jobs are in national defense or national security. Private sector has not produced more jobs, in fact has lost jobs.

-Economic motion has everything to do with lowest interest rates in history. The economy is picking up only because everyone is spending BORROWED MONEY.

-Bush has KILLED the national budjet. Just try to explain how this is good for the economy.

So there you have it. Bush's solution to the economy is to be asleep at the helm, and then give everyone a government job. And the democrats are tax-and-spend?

This softvote poll is slanted, must be republicans distributing it to their friends. The Kerry campaign has just started, it's a dead heat, and he WILL win the election.

"Draft Dodging means fighting the communists in Texas" - Bill Mahar

Posted by: Aaron at July 27, 2004 01:47 PM

for starters here... HENRYCLAY:
If people dont have the right to choose their own lives. Then why dont we just take away your right to religeon. Your obviously not using it properly, CAUSE YOUR FORCING YOURS ON EVERYONE ELSE. in my religeon, gays can marry, women can choose, people can decide if they want to pollute their bodies with drugs (alcohol, pot, or prescription, ect.) as long as its a responsible choice that doesnt get in the way of your life, my religeon is cool with that. Creationism shouldn't be forced in schools anymore than evolution either, I was allowed to leave the class when they taught evolotion. Just remember that we all deserve the freedoms of knowledge. So perhaps, they should just teach both. so anyways... back to what we're talking about, oh yeah... if you want to take away my freedom of religeon, and practicing mine... then you may as well lose yours too. You have every right to your religeon, just dont force it on others. THATS WHY WE HAVE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. AS SOON AS YOU PASS LAWS THAT LIMIT WHAT RELIGEONS YOU CAN PRACTICE, YOU'VE DESTROYED AMERICA.

As far as John Kerry is concerned,, COME ON PEOPLE FRIGGIN READ DAMMIT!!!! Find out about his past, his sevice in vietnam, the medeals he won, the leadership he possesed during that time. The leadership and strength he showed when he stood up against the war. when he ran for office the next year and lost. When he went to law school, so he could make things change. KERRY HAS WORKED HARD FOR THIS, IT WASNT HANDED TO HIM. Read up about his his discovery of the Iran contra scandal, and all the flack he took from the powers that be during that time, because they wanted him off their back. Look at the time he spent fighting against government corruption. Look at the time he spent on the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations. READ PEAOPLE PLEASE. IGNORANCE IS A CHOICE, AND DONT THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTEN TO ONE TALK RADIO STATION, OR READ ONE NEWSPAPER, OR WATCH ANY NEWS ON TV. YOU GOTTA DIG AROUND MORE THIS DAY AND AGE. SO PLEASE DO.
GOOD SITES FOR NEWS(if you want more, find them, there are tons more; for now heres a couple newsplaces:
www.solon.com
www.buzzflash.com

and go to www.airamericaradio.com
listen to some of the shows on there. You may just get the other sides of the story to what you hear on tv, or in the newspaper. and remember, "spin" only seems true because they use some of the facts, and make them fit their intentions. true news, gives you the facts as they stand, and tries to cover each part of the issue.

remember, kerry voted for the 87 billion for our troops before he voted against it
but bush voted against the 87 billion before he voted for it.
and I thought bush said there was nothing comlicated about funding our troops???? what do you call that exactly? oh yeah, SPIN.

The complicated thing about 87billion dollars for our troops is where the heck the MONEY COMES FROM. which is why kerry voted to re-instate the taxes for the wealthiest 1% of americans to pay for it, but bush wouldnt stand for that. I guess he'd rather all of us pay for it, and our children pay for it. when was the last time you've heard the bush administration mention the defecit??? why do you think that is? must be cause they are afraid to tell us that, as if our lives arent hard enough just making ends meet already, that WE the majority 97-99% of us, have to sholder the burden.

and while we're still on the subject of taxes, think about this too... No country, ever, in the history of the world, has ever cut taxes during wartime. Why do you think that is?
oh, did I mention that our military is running out of money, that we have to make selectively repairs, and that we're running out of bullets? seriously... bullets.
Is bush stupid enough to think that the economy will improve during wartime, even tho we arent manufacturing the wartime supplies we need, and are mosty buying them from other countries? does that make sence? why do think the economy tends to improve during wartime in the past? could it be cause before we actually had people manufacture airplanes, bullets, guns, tanks, ect ect ect.

so...tell me how much safer bush makes you feel now. o.O

how much safer do you feel, knowing that Al-Queda is spreading and growing. not just in Afganistan, notjust Iraq, but there are pockets in south america, and mexico... and many other places as well.
The bottom line here is, we can do this alone. and the decisions made by this administration have alienated our friends and allies; but more importantly, have made us less safe.
dont believe me?
then dont. look it up, and you'll find out that what I've said is true. but dont be lazy and just take what I've said as true or false, seriously look it up.

Posted by: Peace + Love at July 27, 2004 03:04 PM

I do not believe in the institution of church, nor do I believe that mortal men ever were told the intentions of God. I do however believe in the forces of nature and that all of it comes from a higher power. I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell you how to worship that entity. What makes one mortal better than the next? You have no right to impose your beliefs on me because at some point in your life someone told you that anyone who doesn't think like you do is going to hell. All I am saying is that on that notion, if you don't think like I do then you are going to this evil place called hell. I have very strong morals, even more so than many devout religious people I have met. Plus, you are forgettng that our first amendment right grants us the safety to practice whatever religion we choose without someone else telling us we are wrong. Are you really going to agree with Henry Clay that God thinks we should drill for oil in Alaska and have tax cuts for everyone? That is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard. Religion and politics do not belong together. The thought of "divine right to rule" should have died a long time ago.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 27, 2004 04:49 PM

I can see many ignorant liberals here posting negative comments about God and President Bush. God will smite all of you with a terrible curse. God created man, but Satan created liberals in an attempt to ridicule God's holy creation. Christianity was invented by God himself, while those other religions were invented by humans. Government was also invented by humans. If you want to belong to a non-Christian religion, I suppose there is really nothing I can do about that. But what I can do is elect strong Christian leaders, who will teach creationism in schools, who will put the true God back in schools. I am proud to be an American because of men like President George Bush, back in the 1990s, I hated this country because of God-hating liberals like Bill Clinton. Tax-cuts are good even if the liberal media tells us that when the federal government cuts taxes, it forces the state governments to raise their own taxes, and it forces colleges to raise their tuitions, and it forces health-care costs to go up. Because it's MY MONEY, I don't want to give it to the government or to people who are to lazy to get off their butts and get a job. There is no room in this country for liberals, you can go live in France. AirAmerica Radio should be banned and Al Franken should be tied to a pillory and flogged repeatedly, then be tarred-and-feathered and deported to France. Anit-American and anti-Bush views should be dealt with harshly. Only President Bush truly loves you and wants to protect you from the evil, devil-worshipping Arabs, VIVA BUSH! LONG LIVE BUSH! DOWN WITH LIBERALISM!!!!!

Posted by: henryclay at July 27, 2004 06:13 PM

Quite frankly I could care less about what the communistic liberalistic gallop poll has to say about John Kerry. First of all, Bush was not a deserter and there is evidence that he served in the Reserves just like thousands are today. In fact there have been dozens of reservists from Oregon and Washington killed in front line action in Iraq. No one can say that reservists do not serve there country.
I find it extremely pathetic and angering that the democrats knowing that they can't win honestly and legitimately have to create a bunch of propaganda against George Bush the year of the election. If the Democrats really cared a tinkers damn about the people of New York and the Pentagon and the people that gave their lives on those 4 jets, why did they wait 3 years until the middle of an election year where kerry was trailing in the polls 20 percent to Bush's 80 percent to start this supposed 9-11 investigation?
There was a 2 year delay tactic by the government of Iraq aided by the security council of the United(anti american) Nations. Umm even though I may not have the highest IQ in the world but, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you have two years in which to maneuver things around all over your country and 14 other countries which are known to have political, monetary and religious ties with Iraq that there are going to be things missing when the lazy uncooperative UN decides to get up off their lazy worthless behinds to go investigate. What do the democrats propose the large traces of Nerve gas and several other traces of weapons of mass destruction that have been found in large amounts were caused by?
The supposed 9-11 committe stated that while Iraq had multiple meetings 4 and 6 and 8 years ago with Hasama Bin Laden and his second in command but there is no evidence of ties or cooperation on the part of Iraq with Hasama Bin Laden in the attacks on the United States in 2001. What do the Democrats think was occuring during this time? Was it possibly High English Tea? Playing Parcessi? Monopoly?
I don't care what Gallop says you can't get a justifiable pole on what Americans think by just polling 1000 people on the east coast. I think Roosevelt is a perfect example of that. The polls swore up and down that Reagan was going to lose his election to Walter Mondale. Need I remind anyone that Reagan won by the largest landslide in the history of America?
My last question is, Why is it when a Democrat presidential candidate wins through the votes of the electoral college the Repuclicans embrace the voting system of America and when Bush wins by the electoral college (which was meant to be a system of checks and balances to keep unethical candidates (like Al (i invented the internet) Gore from stuffing ballots like what happens in Communist countries) the democrats piss and moan about the unjustice of it all and how the system is corrupted and it should be abolished. If the democrats were so sure their man was so good why is it that all the liberally owned television stations are violating election advertising law by not showing fair and equal time immediately following Kerry advertisements which are out playing Bush advertisements by about 10-1.
And as far as the most worthless president in America's history Jimmy "lame ass" Carter saying that President Bush is a madman setting America on a course of alienating the allies we need to support us in the future?
Would that be Paris? The country that we sacrificed 65,000 of our soldiers to in WWII?
Would that be Germany or Italy or Spain or any of the other spineless ungrateful countries that either told us to go screw ourselves our backed out when the kitchen got hot?
Carter can go suck on a billy beer for all I care!!!!!

Posted by: Brad at July 27, 2004 09:34 PM

Wendy, what I love about America is this great freedom we have to be so diverse and share our opinions with each other. I don't know what God thinks about drilling oil in Alaska. He calls us to be good stewarts of what He has given us. We do not serve creation, creation was meant for our use. I don't think that drilling for oil or paying taxes is an issue that "belongs" to any party or any religion. I can see the wisdom in our not being dependent on foreign oil but see greater wisdom in finding new alternatives. As for tax cuts, Jesus said "give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's" Everyone should pay their taxes but again there is great debate on how much the government has the right to demand out of my pocket. 50% of my salary goes to taxes and pays for services that I don't necessarily agree with. I have the right to say no more. As for Henry Clay... The bible says "they will know you are Christian by your Love", "how easy it is to love those who love you back, but love those who hate you and pray for those who use you", "love your neighbor as yourself", and "as you judge, you will be judged". Henry is a scary guy and I don't sense the presence of God in his life at all. He seems to spit out words and doctrine but is not a good witness at all. He is not exactly a picture of God's mercy and grace. As for abortion, it is a seperate human life that feels pain, pees, sucks its thumb, kicks, dreams with seperate brain patterns, as early as ten to twelve weeks. Most women who abort regret their choice and don't have the freedom of voice to say so because the pro-choice movement has led them to believe that they don't have cause to grieve. If what they killed wasn't their "baby", then how can they grieve a loss. I'm a licensed therapist for a counseling center and we see these women every day. It breaks my heart. Interesting that people don't challenge women calling their "baby a baby", when it's a wanted pregnancy. Seems it is only a child when it is "wanted". When people choose to have sex, they are always risking pregnancy and they must assume responsibility for their choices. Children are so unprotected in this day and age, it scares me. Adoption can be a beautiful choice for couples who cannot have children. Abortion is a selfish choice and unwanted pregnancy is most often the result of irresponsible behavior.

Posted by: Carol at July 27, 2004 09:47 PM

Dear Henry Clay, you are so stupid that I refuse to justify your responses anymore. Everyone I have showed your comments to have laughed just as hard as I have. Thank you for providing me with hours of entertainment.

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Posted by: Wendy C at July 27, 2004 11:08 PM

I am ecstatic to see all of the support for Senator Kerry. This site started out as being an ultra-conservative forum, I was beginning to worry. But I knew better, I know that there are intelligent open minded people all over our great nation that will not allow Mr. Bush to win re-election. Have all of you noticed that every time a Kerry supporter posts a comment it is very well thought out and very articulate. Never is it attacking those who don't agree with our way of thinking, the posts by those who support Mr. Bush are always accusing of: "hate spewing liberals," "liberals doing Satan�s work," "un-American," and "unpatriotic." These are �compassionate� conservatives, I�d really hate to meet an uncompassionate conservative. How does it make any logical sense that voters supporting Senator Kerry are all of these things, yet we speak not a word about hate, or label those who disagree with us as Satan. It DOESN'T! I will say it again, supporters of Mr. Bush cannot put together any type of educated, articulate, factual comment about their candidate because his record while in office simply does not supply them with the tools or ammunition needed to do so. Instead they insist on name calling and damninig, those how disagree with their opinions, to hell. The posts by some of the folks supporting Mr. Bush are way over the line, almost fanatical, reminds me of the folks you claim to despise in Iraq. There is NO DOUBT, in my mind that Senator Kerry will win this election, and I firmly believe that many, if not all Bush supporters know this also. This is why they are so angry and hateful towards those of us who disagree with their opinions. I applaud Wendy C, True American and all the rest of you that are displaying the courage to stand up and speak in this forum against Mr. Bush. We must continue to work however, to insure that we hold Mr. Bush accountable for his actions in office and vote him out. Each of us on this forum, even those who support Mr. Bush are exercising the greatest freedom we have: the right to free speech. In this forum and on election day some of us will agree to DISAGREE, but once our new President is elected and you see the leadership and guidance his plans bring us, you will also agree that he is the right man for the job. And us "Satan serving, hate spewing liberals" will forgive and forget. We do not need to be divided, we already have plenty of enemies, we must stand together and I firmly believe that after this election, when Senator Kerry is elected, America will once again unite and rise to be the GREATEST country in the world.

Posted by: MYKAL M at July 28, 2004 04:32 AM

in reference to the Post by: David Lowery at July 21, 2004 11:04 AM

Dude, Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. I'm not happy about 9/11, but we should have fought Al-Queda, and they are in afghanistan. Now but splitting our forces, without getting bin laden, and before finishing the war in afghanistan, we have invaded Iraq, AND CREATED MORE TERROISM THAN EVER.

To anyone who this the economy is in better shape now than it has been in 20 years, your getting false information... look up the department of labor statistics. WE HAVE LOST OVER AMILLION JOBS SINCE BUSH CAME INTO OFFICE. TURNED THE BIGGEST SUPRLUSSES IN OUR NATIONS HISTORY, INTO THE LARGEST DEBTS, YEAR AFTER YEAR OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. WAGES ARE AT AN ALL TIME LOW, AND HEALTH CARE IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN.
I would gladly pay higher taxes to make this country more secure, and to protect our country. IS IT REALLY WISE TO BORROW MONEY FROM CHINA BECAUSE WE CANT FUND OUR OWN DAMN WAR? I think not. and if bush had rolled back the part of his tax cuts for the top 1% of americans, this war would be paied for on our dollar, instead of putting us in debt to other nations WHICH WE RELY ON FOR MOST OF OUR CONSUMING! THIS ECONOMY IS NOT WORKING, IF WE DONT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY FROM IT TO KEEP FROM GOING IN DEBT. THATS LIKE USING CREDIT CARDS TO BUY GOODS BECAUSE THE MONEY FROM YOUR JOB ISNT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING. EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK, AND INTEREST RATES ARE A BITCH. WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN THESE OTHER COUNTRIES WANT THEIR DMAN MONEY BACK. Heck, maybe they're just waiting for us to split or forces so thin, trying to "erradicate terrorists" that they can just attack us and finish us off. Its a thought.

and as far as terrorism is concerned. We need to look at the root of the problem, instead of blaming their actions on them. They hate us because of our involvement in protecting our investors (the saudis). They have a lot of money invested in us, and we rely on the oil. why do you think we let all the sauds out of the country after sept. 11th. I'm not saying there wasnt good reason for it, this is a very fragile time, and we rely to much on foreign oil. Our economy would collapse completely without it. Thats why we need to become independant from foreign oil, by finding new sources of energy. Instead of attacking countries to secure oil. that will just piss the terrorists off more. Bottom line is, we meddle in the affairs of the rest of the world, for our own benefit, that pisses the terrorists off.

oh and henryclay... you have your facts on vietnam basackwards. It was Bush who got into the gaurd to avoid service... John Kerry was preveliged as well, and could have got out of going, BUT HE CHOSE TO GO. So before you go spouting your falsities, maybe you should research the facts, and you'll see that the media you believe is lying to you.

what a sad day-and-age we live in, when the media will literally change the story to suit its political, and religeous stances.

I want everyone to have the freedom to their religeon, and the freedom to live your life how you want to. But I don't think you should bring god into politics. NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN THE SAME GOD. We can still have good political choices without bringing god into it. The bottom line for america is this. USE YOUR FREEDOM TO LIVE BY YOUR GOD'S RULES. I'll do the same. AND MY GOD DOESNT MIND GAYS MARRYING, OR STEM CELLS BEING USED FOR RESEACH, OR ABORTION. and dont pull that whole, iuf your mom aborted you thing. if she did, then I'd just have found another time to come to this planet and live my life. at least I wouldnt be with parent who didnt want me. kapeech?

LIVE YOUR LIFE, I'll live mine. Just because you have strict rules from your god, doesnt mean that mine has those same rules. Thats the freedom of america.

and remember, in romans 1; god let them have unnatural sex with eachother, he didnt stop them, god lets us make our own decisions. If that damns those of us who make that decision, so be it, your safe, because you dont do it. as soon as you take the action to take away our free will, our ability to make the choices for ourselves.... THAT IS GOING AGAINST YOUR GOD'S TEACHING.
It is not our place to judge, remember that...its gods job... and if you believe in Him, then trust that He will take care of it. Don't take it upon yourself to make the judgement, otherwise you will be judged. I dont think I can put it any clearer. Its all in the book you claim to have faith in. If you so have faith, the FOLLOW ITS TEACHINGS.

Posted by: Peace + Love at July 28, 2004 03:16 PM

In reference to the Post by: Brad at July 27, 2004 09:34 PM
Dude, I understand that Bin laden met with Iraqii officials a few times, and as per my understanding Bin laden wanted to get the help of Iraq in funding Al-Queda, and taking down the united states. Now, according to former ambassador Joe Wilson, Saddam didn't want to help Al-Queda, because he wanted to retain control of Iraq as dictactor, and by helping terrorists, you are aiding an organization that opposes the ideals of government. I believe that frankly Saddam knew that the control he did have, was not worth sacrificing to take on the United States... Saddam was not supid, and he knew that if he made ties with them, that we would find out and intervene. Saddam did what we wanted him to do, get rid of the weapons of mass destruction he possessed. Yes we had to pressure him a lot, and it took time, but the weapons inspectors knew that if there was anything left at all, it was an extremely minimal ammount... and the only chemical weapons that would be left, were over 10 years olD!, and no longer the same potency, or danger. now, maybe they did think that there were ties, or weapons of mass destruction. but thats no reason to pull out the weapons inspectors, when saddam had decided to cooperate, and wage a war. Just look at the first gulf war. Look at how many weapoins we destroyed durning that war. Then look after the war, when the inspectors went in and dealt with the weapons. We dealt with hardly any with our troops, it was the UN weapons inspectors that helped erradicate the weapons of mass destruction, and it was unwise to deviate from that course.

As for the eloctoral vote thing.... Its not that bush won the electoral college, I can accept that, if that was indeed the whole story. but its not. Florida was a debacle of our electoral system. Many thousands of blacks were wrongfully purged from the voter rolls, and the company they paid to check the rolls for accuracy(which was not the normal company used btw) was paid millions more than the normal company, and they never made calls to check the rolls for accuracy. To make matters worse, people were turned away from the polls, even before the polls should have closed. AND WORSE OF ALL THERE WAS NO RE-COUNT, EVEN THO THE MARGIN THAT BUSH HAD WON BY WAS ABOUT 500 VOTES... WELL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR, AND THEREFORE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RE-COUNTED. but there was no re-count... why? because Bush's campaign advisor was the head of the committee responsible for counting the votes in florida, as well as his brother being governor, helped to let it all slide. check out the BBC reporting on the election, and look up some articles that were written around that time. This country should be run fairly, and if bush had won fairly, no one would have any right to bitch about wgore loosing but winning the popular vote. Cause as it stands, all americans, bush supporters or not, should be worried, and getting active, about getting our votes counted. Our votes are our power, and no one deserves to loose that. No matter who they vote for.

Posted by: Peace + Love at July 28, 2004 03:41 PM

If you all want to keep playing this stupid liberal game, where you talk about how great John Kerry and Drew Barrymore are, then by all means continue. But I want to say something on a serious note, about drilling for oil in Alaska, this land belongs to people, not to the birds in the tree or the fishes in the sea. God created it for the benefit of humans, all of the animals exist for the benefit of humans. Remember, only those who "truly" accept Jesus as their personal lord and saviour are allowed to enter heaven. God loves everyone, but if anyone ever questions or doubts his love, then that person will be tossed into the lake of fire, to spend eternity there in torment. I hope this has helped you to realize that you liberals are on a hell-bound path unless you repent, and come to Jesus. For we may be the generation that sees Armaggedon, and the Four Horsement of the Apocalypse. Thank-you and God bless you.
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Posted by: henryclay at July 28, 2004 05:34 PM

To Peace + Love.

Are you on crack, they recounted it 3 or 4 times. Not just by Bushes people either, the liberl newspapers in florida and new york counted as well, and you know what, Bush won when they counted as well. Even Al Gore accepted it at the time, now he is saying that he lost unfairly. (typical dem, flip flopping all the time.). Please tell me what has happened to the dem. party, they used to be about something, not just taking my money and giving it to who ever thinks needs it. Face it the dem. party is dead, they will be gone within 20 years. Hopefully a new and better party will form. Who know's. I clicked on you hyperlink, it figures a liberal website. Air america is dead as well, how long do you think they can afford to stay on the air with no advertisement. And thats another thing, why do you think the conservitive talk shows stay on the air, because people are listening, they have advertisers. Agian don't spew out your lies, please it only makes you look stupid, and I know you are not, so show some intelligence, please.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 28, 2004 05:39 PM

Henryclay, please shut up, you are not helping the Rebulicans with forcing god on everyone. Like I said in a previous post, most dem's don't believe in god, so you are wasting your time, and it makes you look stupid. State the facts, please.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 28, 2004 05:48 PM

I am well aware that most democrats are atheists, and that is why God told me to come here, to spread his holy word to those who need it most. As for facts, President Bush's tax-cuts are the greatest thing to happen in this country since President Reagan's tax-cuts. The liberal media poisons our minds by telling us that these tax-cuts only help the wealthy, we know that this is a liberal lie. I am more than happy to spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on the holy crusade of democracy in Iraq, but I am not willing to pay a single penny for big-government social programs. Stem-cell research is murder, abortion is murder, and murder must not be tolerated by God's most sacred nation, the USA. So I want you to hold on to God's unchanging hand, and make a joyful noise unto the lord, because he helped Joshua fight the battle of Jerico, he helped Daniel get out of the lion's den, he helped Gilligan get off the island, and we need his help in America again. Only God and President Bush can give you the kind of joy you seek in life.

Posted by: henryclay at July 28, 2004 07:17 PM

Henry Clay, as I mentioned before I am a military member who supports Bush. What I failed to mention was that I am also a Christian Pastor.
I believe you to be well studied on the Bible, and quickly recognize your passion and zeal, however try and remember the what Jesus told his disciples "Do not cast your pearls before swine" It is the Holy Spirit which convicts by utterance to the hearts of the unbeliever. The book of Proverbs speaks strongly on wisdom, which we are to embrace with much vigor. I believe you will have more impact upon the debate if you present carnal facts that support your candidate and reinforce that with goodness and love. Many blessings brother, and TO ALL, I BELIEVE THAT THE TREND OF THR SOFTPOLL FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DNC CONVENTION IS THE NEWS OF THE WEEK.

Thanks to all great debate KEEP TO THE ISSUES

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 28, 2004 09:19 PM

HENRYCLAY,

I just wanted to point out that you ripped off the "Joshua, and the battle of Jerico" Phrase in your last post from the preacher on "Coming to America" After reading back through your posts I am more inclined to believe that you you do not really hold true to your perfervid "fire and brimstone rhetoric" I might even venture to say that your posts are meant to subversively harm President Bush rather that truly support him. If I am incorrect, please note that I say this in support of my charge to you for "Speaking with wisdom." Rather than the same attacks ad'haminem on those whome you dissagree point out the advantages of your point of view and how they compare with the advantages of those whom you disagree. Those watching the debate will then decide who the victor is.

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 28, 2004 09:48 PM

Carop I agree with you on about everything i think. specially on Henryclay... I am also a christian but i think he gets a little carried away. Specially when he calls people who disagree with him "satan worshiping". Henry i really doubt every non-christian or democrat worships satan. That is an insult and insulting people does not bring people to God and that is one of the goals of a christian... Christian means to be like Christ. Which mean we need to try our best to be like Jesus. I dont ever remember hearing Jesus call non-christians "satan worshipers". Instead he loved them. Mykal M, i do agree with you kinda. but how can you not see that the democrats also do the same thing? both dems and reps attack each other with insults. but how come you only see republicans doing that. I am assuming you think that everything the dems say in a letter is true even though it may be insulting to the reps but when a rep says something in a letter its just hateful insult.

Posted by: Jeffro429 at July 28, 2004 11:09 PM

If you haven't guessed it yet, henryclay above is mocking Bush supporters and Christians. The Democrats should be proud to have him in their ranks (the sad thing is that they are arguing with him).

Here are my reasons for voting for Bush (Not necessarily in order of importance.)

Political: I believe, for the most part, that the conservative platform serves me and my family the best. Although deep down I would like to get my hands on some of those Government funds, I know that someone has to be forced to pay for them (taxes). Isn't that stealing? I'm not really taxed that much (I make squat and I have 7 children) so taxes are not an issue with me. I just don't like the idea having someone else being forced to pay for my family's bills.

Economic: I'm glad that there are checks and balances in America that keep our economy in pretty good shape. It looks like the mainly Conservative movement at the Federal level has done really well. Numbers are really going up. This is bad news for the Liberal movement.
BTW, can I inject something here? I don't think it is good logic for Rush Limbaugh to say things like, "The Libs hate it when the economy gets better! They need an America that is in the trash!" because I think if Al Gore were President now, we Republicans would cringe at the sight of the economy going up, especially like it is going up now. Same with Iraq. If Al Gore were President now, I'm thinking that he would have followed pretty much the same path that Bush did and we Republicans would bashing him for every decision. It would be jealousy - like it is now.

I digress...

Religious: Although I don't think True Christianity is a "religion" (a religion is where you work for your salvation), I believe that the Conservative platform comes closest to my beliefs. If I were merely a moral man, I'd probably look into the Democrat's way of thinking. I can see where an atheist would think that the "religious right" looks whacky and that the Democratic platform looks moral. But, because I happen to believe the Bible (of which I'm not going to bang over our liberal friend's heads on this forum - not only is it not fair, but, from looking at the "Satan" posts above, it is not a good testimony of Christ), please know that this is a determining factor in my vote. I'm not implying that if you vote differently than I, then you are a heretic. I'm saying that this is important to me and to my family.

National Security: If I just landed on this planet and had no political affiliation and no bias of any sort, after looking at the two parties pertaining to this issue of security, I'd have no problem choosing Republican. That's an easy one. By nature, the liberal is not going to be tough. Security needs a strong hand. Period. Is there a liberal that can argue this point, other than the fact that you don't like it and that enforcing security very often leads to fewer personal freedoms? This is a no-brainer. Yes, the tenderhearted won't like the strong hand that keeps them safe, but that strong hand has my vote, when it comes to keeping this Country secure. If I were Osama, I'd be campaigning for the liberals. I personally don't think the terrorists want Bush to win. (Let's see what convention gets bombed.) I'm not saying that Democrats are dolts when it comes to security, and I'm not saying that the Republicans are super smart supermen. I'm saying that the toughest get my vote. When it comes to my country and to my family, I really don't care about the UN, France, Germany, or the Andromeda Galaxy. I want to know who's watching OUR gate. This isn't about Kerry or Bush. This is about Conservative or Liberal.

If you respond to this, my name is Rick Varnum (see below). Don't respond with a Bush-bash. I didn't Kerry-bash.

Posted by: Rick Varnum at July 29, 2004 02:18 AM

Oh my, what I have read. I have only one thing to say.

You don't have to think to vote democrat

Posted by: D. Green at July 29, 2004 02:51 AM

I just have one thing to say on the subject of national security. By declaring war on a country that was formerly of no threat to us, with no support from our allies, we have not only alienated our allies, but we have made ourselves an extremely hated nation. Terrorism is fueled by all this hate. Those who formerly had no care in the world about America are now joining the terrorist network because they are a little upset that we went into their country and destroyed their way of life. For no reason. They are a little upset that we branded them as terrorists, when we are the ones creating terror.

There is a huge crisis in Sudan right now. Arab militants are going through the area of Darfur, robbing and killing the people. The UN has responded, but Sudan has said they want no help from any country outside of the AU. They have specifically said that any outside intervention would be looked at as an occupational force. There is so much anger at western civilization, especially the United States, that many countries would rahter suffer than have our "help". We have never been hated by the world more than we are at this point. I dont care if you all do not care about the rest of the world. The fact remains that we all share this planet, and especailly as a world power, our actions effect everyone on it. I have never felt more in danger because I am an American than I have in the last few years.

Posted by: Wendy C at July 29, 2004 10:32 AM

Excuse me ladies and gentlemen, I am not mocking President Bush, I am speaking in support of him. You may think that John Kerry is a Christian, but a Christian would never support abortion, a Christian would never support stem-cell research, and a Christian would never support homosexuality. President Bush is a man who opposes all of those things, even though that most unholy traitor to God, Ron Reagan JR.gave a speech Tuesday night at the Satanic convention in Boston, TAX-achusetts praising the benefits of stem-cell research, President Bush remains strongly opposed. Stem-cell research is murder, plain and simple, this country needs a leader who understands that science and logic are tools of Satan, President Bush does not care about science and logic, he only cares about the Holy Bible. The liberal media tells us that when the federal government cuts taxes, it forces state governments to raise their own taxes, and it forces colleges to raise their tuitions, and it forces the cost of health care to go up. Wealthy people can easily afford these increases, middle class people cannot, therefore these tax-cuts only benefit the wealthy. They tell us that these tax-cuts have seriously threatened social security. Well all of these things are fabrications of the liberal media, we know them to be false, I do not support paying higher taxes to support lazy people who are watching television, when they should be at work or in church!! I would gladly pay a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to allow the Iraqi people to live in democracy, I AM NOT HOWEVER, WILLING TO PAY A SINGLE PENNY FOR BIG-GOVERNMENT SOCIAL PROGRAMS!! VIVA BUSH!! DOWN WITH LIBERALISM!!!

Posted by: henryclay at July 29, 2004 12:35 PM

Wendy, I appreciate your comments I think they were well thought out, however I believe you are a bit misguided on the issue of war, Not only Iraq but for the most part the entire arab region has been a very great threat to the United States for quite some time now. If you look at a world map and examine it from a military planners perspective you quickly realize our approach in the war on terror. We have now have military control of both Afghanistan, and Iraq, securing the eastern and western borders of Iran (the # 1 state sponsor of terrorism since 1974), the eastern border of Syria (a major supporter of terrorism)who subsequently shares its northern border with Turkey (a Nato member) and its southern borser with Israel (a major U.S. ally). We have effectively marginalized the entire region and are now actively persuing and eliminating terrorists on a daily basis. You are correct in your statement that this is breeding more hate, however I use the analogy of Nazi Germany there was much Nazi support in central Europe when we entered WWII and as we took territory their hate toward us most definately grew, however with time and tough resolve we prevailed, just as we will now. I think it is quite dangerous to try and reduce this threat down to one country or one ruiling regime it is a ideology of Islamofacism that has permeated for genenrations just as the fanaticism in Germany and Japan did and now it must be strategically faced down no matter the cost. We have the virtue of being on the side of good in this conflict. :) Blessings and keep up the great debate

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 29, 2004 01:11 PM

Wendy C.

Then let them suffer. Do you think the Iraqi people are not happy we came in to thier country and deposed Saddame? Most of the people are very happy we are there, and don't want us to leave any time soon. There are few idiots there that want us to leave, thats right the terrorist. They would love us to leave so they could take over and have a new base of operations to plan more attacks against us. If the countries out there who are have terroistic problems don't want us there, let them reap what they sow.

Posted by: David Lowery at July 29, 2004 01:46 PM

I know this much, that right now there are liberals on this website with varicose veins, there are liberals with flat feet! I'm telling you that if you will humble yourselves and come before God, and support his humble servant President Bush, then he will take away all those Satanized afflictions that you carry around with you on a daily basis. If you accept God, you will be able to handle even the deadliest snake, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CAST OUT DEMONS! AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!! Now that I've God's got everyone's attention, I want you to know that he is not going to let you go, AMEN! God told me to come here to win all those lost souls, all those souls that have been lied to by the liberal media, and by the Satanic party, I was sent here to win souls for God, and votes for President Bush, AMEN! I know that there are a lot of middle and lower class people here on this site, and to them I say, never fear, help is on the way, because President Bush has promised more and bigger tax-cuts in the next four years, and when he makes a promise, you know he'll keep it. This country was founded by Christians for the benefit of Christians, but today the great state of Alabama has been forced to remove a display of the Ten Commandments. There are four liberals on the Supreme Court, and I hold them responsible for this blasphemy. Those liberals, however, will be retiring soon, and President Bush will replace them with true American conservatives, he will replace them with GOD-FEARING CONSERVATIVES! People who will uphold God's law in this pagan land.

Posted by: henryclay at July 29, 2004 03:56 PM

First of all, let me say that I am very happy to see that my previous post had an impact on many of you. Hopefully we can now have a more civil forum, where the issues are addressed. I am truly enjoying the debate and am inspired by the fact that many of us both demos and repubs are involved in the political process.
reference to Posted by: Jeffro429 at July 28, 2004 11:09 PM
Hey Jeffro, I certainly agree with you that both demos and repubs insult each other, especially during an election year. My point was that in this forum if you'll go back and scroll through the comments you will see that almost, if not all, of the namecaliing, negative, and bashing comments have been posted by those who support Mr. Bush(repubs). I understand that in order to point out the areas in which you differ from you oppositions views certain criticisms have to be made. But certainly they can be made in a respectful manner. I do not like it when Demos bash repubs, and I think for the most part Demos do a better job at not pushing their convictions on other people, we believe in our ideas and attempt to persuade, but in a proper manner. Kill'em with kindness, I guess.

Henry Clay, I don't know what to say to you, your comments blow me awy the most, but I refuse to respond to you in kind. I suggest you listen to some of your brethern and tone it down a bit, let's debate the issues. That is the only way to end the division.

Posted by: MYKAL M at July 29, 2004 04:45 PM

Let them suffer? All Americans were upset the day that 3,000 of our own were killed on our own soil. How do you think the people of Iraq felt the day Bush started bombing Baghdad?
When Americans have to lie for their safety about what country they are citizens of when they are across seas, I believe that means that we have gone too far. We, as Americans, should question exactly what the 900 Americans have died for in Iraq. Peace and Love made a good point, Saddam wasn't stupid enough to start anything with America. Also, even if they had been developing weapons of mass destruction, they had and still have no way to get them to our borders. What about countries like North Korea, who have told us they want nothing more than to nuke California and we know they are capable of it?
By thinning out our troops through several countries, we are making ourselves more exposed and allowing for more terrorists to slip through.
If Iran was the big threat, why didn't we go after Iran? We knew Afganistan was the one who started war with us, why didn't we finish there?
If we were in this to save the poeple, why didn't we help countries like Sierra Leone or Rwanda, where their citizens are living far worse lives than anyone in Iraq?
I think a lot of those questions can be answered with 3 letters: OIL. This war is not about getting the terrorists and making us safer. We would not care about Iraq if they weren't sitting on one of the largest oil reserves in the world, one our government has coveted for many, many years.
Also, if our government really cared about our safety, rather than the oil they can get rich from, then they would push for the development of alternative energy. This would free us from our dependence on the Middle East and we would no longer be funding terrorists by buying their oil. You know there is enough wind power in the plains to power at least half of our entire country? Clean, reusable, never depleted, wind power. But the government is not going to push for wind mills to be put up because the CEOs of all the companies that support our government might get upset. They might stop putting wads of cash into Bush and Cheney's pockets.

This is for Henry Clay. God gave us the wonderful planet to support us. Obviously you think he wants us to destroy it. What gives us the right to destroy the greatest gift our creator ever gave to us?

Posted by: Wendy C at July 29, 2004 04:57 PM

Wow...

Separation of Church and State. What a concept. Too bad only ONE candidate truly understands that concept. For Kerry, separation of church and state means "total control" of religious institutions OR "abolishment" of religious institutions. If you think that isn't the truth, you need to listen to his speech tonight!

For liberals, the church (especially Christianity) should be removed from EVERYTHING public, including government. This ideal is the SAME ideal that made its way though Russia in the early 1900's. Read your history! Those who do NOT understand their history are condemned to repeat it. A small message to all liberals. You cannot KILL Christianity. Yesterday...today...or tomorrow! Why? Because He who holds the world holds his children. You can threaten, accuse, abuse, badmouth, condemn, and even KILL Christians, but the idea of removing Christianity from society and government will NOT happen as long as I have breath--and there are millions of others who share MY same sentiment!

My message to ALL who want to see the "church" completely removed from the "state" is simply this...LEAVE THE USA. There are many countries who share your sentiment and I am sure they would welcome you with open arms. China comes to mind. So does North Korea!

George W. Bush will be reelected this November. This scares liberals more than anything else. Why? Because he ignores the liberal agenda! The liberal agenda DOES NOT sit well with the MAJORITY of people in the USA. And in a democratic-republic like the USA, the majority rules. And it is HIGH TIME we in the majority assert that simple truth.

God Bless America...but more importantly...
America Bless God!

BroJim

Posted by: BroJim at July 29, 2004 05:25 PM

I want all of you to repeat after me: Will you oppose homosexuality? YES GOD! Will you oppose witchcraft? YES GOD!! Will you oppose abortion? YES GOD!! Will you oppose stem-cell research? YES GOD!! Will you oppose pre-marital sex? YES GOD!! Will you support big tax-cuts? YES GOD!! Will you support drilling for oil in Alaska? YES GOD!! Will you support privatization of social security? YES GOD!! We cannot allow John Kerry and John Edwards to kick God out of the USA! for this country was founded on GOD! Liberal views should be dealt with harshly, this up-coming election is about more than democrat versus republican, it is about VALUES! IT IS ABOUT GOD! If you liberals can't get that through your thick skulls, then you can pack your bags and move to FRANCE!!

Posted by: henryclay at July 29, 2004 06:34 PM

In reference to the Post by: David Lowery at July 28, 2004 05:39 PM

I can tell just by this post that you are completely buying in to the "right-wing spin".
Air America Radio is alive and well, and has plenty of advertisment, and if you even TOOK THE TIME TO LISTEN YOU'D KNOW THAT. Though I don't expect you to even have the decency to look at all the sides of the story. You hear the word liberal and cringe, when you KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF WHAT LIBERALISM IS! IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD OPINION OF US. Just more examples of the Republican dominated media, alienating people from being open minded to eachothers views. AIR AMERICA IS A LIBERAL RADIO STATION, BUT IT IS BY THAT DEFINITION, VERY OPEN MINDED, BECAUSE AFTER ALL THATS WHAT LIBERALISM IS ALL ABOUT.

And there was no official re-count. Thats why the supreme court appointed him president, they made the decision, not the votes from re-counting florida. Look it up... oh heck, I'll save you the trouble cause I know your not going to bother checking anyways... just click these links and read. alright? thats all I'm asking

Check this legal list first, its a bit long, but a very detailed report of what happened after the election.
things to keep in mind when reading this: "Harris" (Katharine Harris; I believe thats how you spell it) was bush's campaign advisor. And was in charge of finalizing the vote counts in florida.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/electiontime.htm
the most important part, if you dont read the whole thing, is this:
"December 12: Deadline for resolution of elector controversies to qualify for "conclusive" protection under Title 3, U.S. Code, Section 5. Florida House of Representatives passes resolution appointing 25 electors. Florida Supreme Court upholds dismissal of Seminole and Martin county absentee ballot application challenges. At about 10 p.m. EST, U.S. Supreme Court issues 5-4 decision in Gore v. Bush reversing Florida Supreme Court and ruling that manual recounts cannot be conducted in a constitutional manner in the time remaining."
That helps outline the legalities behind conducting the recount, which should have been an immediate response, under us law, because the election was so close.

Even the "unfair and unbalanced" Fox (as I've come to believe; because they are in no way fair or balanced) makes a refernece to the problem the purging of blacks from the voting:
"Blacks, who as a group voted overwhelmingly for Democrat Al Gore in 2000, say they were disproportionately affected by the 2000 election abuses, including the failure to count thousands of votes, many of them in black neighborhoods."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126133,00.html
according to a cnn article:
"In the 2000 election, state officials purged voter rolls of the names of more than 173,000 people identified as felons or otherwise ineligible to vote, but civil rights activists as well as some Florida county elections supervisors have charged that those lists contained numerous errors, and that thousands of eligible voters were prevented from casting ballots in the election."
and
" "Florida's 2000 felon purge program resulted in over 50,000 legal voters being disenfranchised," said Leon County elections supervisor Ion Sancho in a written statement. "When asked for assurances that the [2004 felon list] was 90 percent accurate -- the minimum level local supervisors of elections requested for such a list -- we were told that it was better than the 2000 list, with no data to support its accuracy."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/28/fla.vote/

and although the mainstream media didnt feel it important enough to report in depth on the voter roll purging in florida, here is an article that did report it:
http://weeklydig.com/dig/content/2846.aspx
and there are more articles about it as well if you care too look hard enough for them.
and here is the records of the law suit filed by the NAACP against Katherine Harris and others responsible for this debacle of the voter rolls:
http://www.aclufl.org/legislature_courts/legal_department/briefs_complaints/naacp_v__harris.cfm

This all took me a while to find... just as finding any real sources of information take to dig up sometimes in this day and age. We need to take stock of what all the media outlets tell us, and not take things at face value anymore.
When the media is controlled by money, our freedom of information is tainted, and well meaning people are mislead. Something must be done about this.

People need to open their ears to both the right and left wing, and they will see that there are lies floating about, and if you start ACTUALLY DIGGING AROUND FOR YOURSELF, YOU WILL FIND THAT THE TRUTH IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT YOU EXPECT. AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLETS MISLEAD, AND SOMETIMES OUTRIGHT LIE.
So please, take advantage of the internet you are connected to, and go find the media outlets that report the truth, because they care; and they are out there... and be weary of the mainstream that report "the spin" , because its easier than actually investigating, and they get paid for it too.

Posted by: Peace + nLove at July 29, 2004 08:06 PM

Ok, here we go,

First of all, Wendy C, I sense your frustration and passion, but I ask you, slow down and look at the military perspective, Iran is a country much with treacherous terrain, a serious military and VERY FEW INVASION INLETS. However starting with Afghanistan(to the east) an easy invasion and a relatively endless supply of locals who for a small price would be willing to infiltrate Iran and gain very useful intel for us. Now Iraq (to Irans West) more difficult to invade but severely weakened by the 91 war and more than a decade of softening airstrikes. Also a realatively great population for intel recruiting. Also as I pointed out, taking Iraq first, most effectively isolates Syria who has been sending suicide bombers to Israel for the better part of 5 years. You go to Afghanistan first because of the obvious, you have Alq'aeda training camps churning out tens of thousands of hardened terrorists a year, and to put great pressure on Pakistan (who founded the Taliban has a terrorist problem, and a nuclear program being pilfered by their own scientists). You go to Iraq next because you have a two decade long relationship between Saddam and Alqaeda, you have Saddam, who Vladimir Putin's intel agency warned us was having his (Hussein) intelligence agencies actively persue terrorist acts on U.S. soil. With those two factors in play and Bin Laden vigourously persuing chemical and biological materials, the simplest logic tells you as a military planner to take Iraq. WENDY Iran has been in the U.S. state dept's state sponsor of terrorism list's #1 position for 30 years make no mistake they are an enormous threat, but if you go charging into Iran using only attack by sea and paratroopers (as would be required without the lands of Afghanistan and Iraq) the cost of american life would be in the tens of thousands, MUCH MORE THAN the 900 soldiers we have now sacrificed. I know 1 life is too much BUT WE MUST PREVAIL. As for North Korea, they are a nuclear nation and the possible cost of an invasion is far more thn we want to risk at the present and the viable option is defense. The "Missle Shield" that the US and Israel just sucessfully tested today, is what I am speaking of. The projected path of an inter-continental balistic missle from Korea of China would take you directly over the coverage area of the our new missle defense system, trust me that is no accident. As for the countries in Africa, I am all for offering more humanitarian support, however I believe that if the UN has any role in the world it is to prevent and intervene in these kinds of atrocities. Just as they did in Kosovo and and Yugoslavia. But I agree with you something has to be done. I CHALLENGE ALL IN THIS FORUM TO BREAK FREE FROM IDEAOLOGIES AND THINK DEEPLY ON THESE ISSUES, IN MY MILITARY TRAINING I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE PUBLIC HEARS ONLY APPX. 3% OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IN THE WORLD. PLEASE, I HAVE HEARD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARTISAN ATTACKS AD'HAMINEM WITHOUT MUCH SUBSTANCE OR EVIDENCE. I ENCOURAGE READING BOTH SIDES, AND DEEP THOUGHT . Thanks all keep em coming (AND I MIGHT ADD I AM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, BUT I AM NOT A SLAVE TO THEIR IDEOLOGIES)

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 29, 2004 09:55 PM

heres a few articles for anyone that wants to think a bit more about how great bush is doing economically. Enjoy:)

http://baltimorechronicle.com/060904Cederholm.shtml
this is an interesting article to read and think about.
Check this site out as well:
http://www.aflcio.org/yourjobeconomy/jobs/

also check out
http://www.jobwatch.org/

and if you have an open mind, mull over this as well:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2085481/

Posted by: Peace + nLove at July 29, 2004 10:12 PM

For all you dems out there..do you really want a president who says its ok to murder preborn babies, while knowing life begins at conception? Do you really want a president who will kiss anyones ass who will vote for him? Do you really want a president who will be soft on the war on terror? Kerry doesnt care about you, he only wants to get elected so he will tell you anything you want to hear, and tell your friend the opposite.

I cant understand the some of troops that were in Iraq that say thw war was a mistake and nothing good has come out of this war. Maybe you didnt see all the good things happening there. Did you see the kids going to school? Did you see people have power and water? Did you see the people have the right of free speech? Did you see the people have their rights to practice their religions again? Did you see the people not being tortured and raped by saddam and his sons?

I am very proud to be an american-unlike michael moore and all the bush hating liberals. I WILL BE VOTING FOR BUSH IN NOV. He is a man who will stand up for his country, be aggressive, and not care what france thinks. He has morals that say abortion is wrong, same sex marriage is wrong. He will stand up for what he believes is right, unlike kerry who will take a vote first.

Vote BUSH in nov!!!!!

Posted by: kippyafd at July 29, 2004 10:24 PM

Those who oppose the war, Germany, not to long ago a powerful dictator took over and ordered the mass murder of many Jews. 2003, Saddam kills his own people. Both stories similar, but the president @ the time of ww2 was not criticized as the Bush has been. This world is not perfect, "cant we all get along" just doesn�t work. Also on issues of who is for the wealthy and who is for the middle-class, take a guess who is responsible for higher medical costs??, John Ewards and his fellow lawyers. Watch ABC, the report showed how many of our good doctors are dropping out because they are afraid of being sued. Also, the manufacturers of health supplies include an insurance cost for lawsuits, which were popularized by trial lawyers. While Edwards stays in one of his many homes, people struggle to pay health bills, not because of Bush, he did not create frivolous lawsuits, Edwards did at the expense of middle class citizens. Edwards is the opposite of a robin hood. He steals from the poor and gives to the rich in the name of the "little guy" Also, for those who believe that the media is not biased, you are extremely ignorant. EVERY PART OF THE MEDIA IS BIASED, even the weather, if you do not believe it, just think when temperatures are warmer, they say it is due to warm air from the tropics, but in reality it is the green house effect. Major sponsors for News programs are oil based companies such as PBS and EXXON-MOBILE OIL. Another example is the Exxon Valdez spill. PBS pulled a program on the spill because EXXON thought the story would be bad publicity. PBS either canceled the show or lost funding, guess who got what they wanted (*hint, they drill oil). On the Economy, Bush did not skew numbers to stockholders, and he brought these people to justice, we cannot use Bush as a scapegoat. Also we are the ones who control the economy, how you might ask? When people hoard their money and do not spend or invest, our economy cannot exist. The balance is we spend money, we get money. You cannot expect a raise in the economy if people do not invest. The stock market crash would have never happened if people left their money alone. We should learn from history, or we will be doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: me at July 30, 2004 01:28 AM

Let's all just take a moment and think about our personal situations - are we better off today than four years ago!! I for one am certainly not. Paying $4.00 for a gallon of milk, $2.50 for a gallon of gas, $3.00 a gallon for home heating oil. I didn't get a raise in my salary for the past 3 years, and I am afraid to look for a new job, I have to stick to the job security and deal with the fact that every week, I am taking money out from my savings to make ends meet. My husband and I work three jobs, and we try to save money for our children's education - becuase with the Republicans in office, they certainly aren't going to get help with their college education. Let's try something/someone new - Bush is not helping, things are getting worse every day. My son is a thinking about making a carrer in technology - I think I will discourage it if Bush gets re-elected, he will never get a job in the U.S. and I certainly don't want him to move to India to work in the technology field. Something has to give, let's give Kerry a chance - he is our only alternative.

Posted by: Lisa D. at July 30, 2004 09:28 AM

Lisa D.

First thing is start shopping around - $4.00 for a gallon of milk. I travel all over the U.S.A. and have not seen $4.00 a gallon. The price of gas dropped after Labor Day like it has every year, For your info - gas is under $2.00 a gallon in most parts of the country. I hope your positive attitude doesn't rub off on your son- or we'll have another democrat in this country.
I've just had two of my children finish up in college - both had jobs within a month in the field they went to school in. Oh, by the way - one was in technology - amazing!! By the look of your posting and the lies about the pricing - you are the typical democrat - dramatic and lying - What a great day in American history when Mr. Bush is re-elected. Have a great day!!

Posted by: Steve Plamann at July 30, 2004 03:03 PM

Lisa D.,

No one is asking you to pay $4.00 for a gallon of milk, $2.50 for a gallon of gas, and $3.00 for a gallon of heating oil. Those are YOUR choices. That may sound trite and mean, but it IS reality. You could be in Europe where a gallon of milk costs closer to $6.00, a gallon of gas is over $5.00, and home heating oil is almost $6.00. So...stop complaining...

In 1980, I was paying over $1.10 for a gallon of gas. Inflated, that would be $2.50 in today's dollars.

I will BET you that you have cable TV or satellite. Cut that out of your budget and put up a pair of rabbit ears and put the money BACK into your children's education. Priority is priority. We all make choices...every single day. I know for a FACT that you have some "fat" in your budget that can be trimmed! I do! I have already trimmed mine because I have FIVE children.

And ONE LAST QUESTION...if things are getting worse under Bush everyday, why is the economy rebounding so well? The DOW was down to 7,500 less than two years ago and it is NOW back up over 10,000. How did that happen? Magic? I guess the democrats did it, huh?

And as for jobs...when we stop demanding higher pay for less work, then jobs will come BACK to the USA. Something for you to ponder...why should someone making $15/hour pay a UNION WORKER $35/hour to build them a car? It just don't add up! And it is JUST that kind of problem that is forcing CORPORATE EXECUTIVES (not the government of the US) to send jobs overseas.

Just something for you to think about...

Cheers, BroJim

Posted by: BroJim at July 30, 2004 05:01 PM

I urge all of you to reject John Kerry and the Satanic party. President Bush is a wise and experienced leader. The question is, is the democratic party presenting a Christian message to the young people of this country? The answer is of course, NO!! If it is not Christian, then it has no place in our society, Christians can rise up and reclaim this country which is rightfully ours. We don't have to buy into the lies which the liberal media spews out onto society. The liberal media has always reminded me of a deranged lunatic, masturbating all over the place, on the ceiling, on the wall, on the carpet, spewing his seed on all of God's creatures. We have a clear choice in this election, we can choose the party of God, or we can choose the party of Satan. The party of God promises lower taxes, privatization of social security, teaching creationism in school, banning pre-marital sex, banning homosexuality, banning drug use, drilling for oil in Alaska. While the party of Satan favors letting people do whatever they want, whenever they want. This is NOT what God intended for us!! I can see that Satan is winning the war for the heart of this country. In puritan Massachusetts, a woman could be hanged for having pre-marital sex with demons, but today, that state tolerates pre-marital sex, homosexuality, and staying out past 9:00 at night, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??

Posted by: henryclay at July 30, 2004 08:53 PM

When Bush got into office, the national debt was 5.4 TRILLION Dollars. It is now 7 TRILLION Dollars of national debt. Along with record high unemployment, wages are down, and healthcare premiums are up.
This isnt particulalry a black and white issue here, but you have to admit that Clinton did a darn good job keeping the debt from inflating, and getting our economy booming. When Clinton came into office the debt was at 4 Trillion, now consider the economic growth over 8 years, and at the end of Clinton's Presidency, the debt was up TO 5.4 Trillion Dollars, and there were budget surpluses left over of about $236 billion
. Bush has succeded in putting our economy back into the red ink, spending more than we take in.

I'm all for Bush's ideals, I would support him doing what he told us when he campaigned in 2000. But the bottom line, is that he hasn't helped the lower-class at all, and the middle class is hurting too. I know, because I see all those around me who are struggling to get by, now more than ever.

Wake-up-call.... Bush promised us things that he hasn't done, and in some cases, has done the oppsosite. Don't forget what Enron did to California, I was living there at the time, and that hurt bad. Bush may be holding Ken Lay accountable now, but its 3 years later. And "Kenny-Boy" Lay is still free. In case you didnt know corporate crooks hardly ever serve time. They pay bail, pay a fine, and get on their way. Ken Lay should be accountable for what he did, and Bush and everyone involved should be held accountable for passing the bill that de-regulated energy prices, by allowing loopholes, and allowing Enron to gouge California. Cheney should be held accountable for re-writing environmental laws to lax regulations on corporations and allow them to put out more toxic emissions, and hurt us in the process.

I'd vote for bush if he did what he said, but he has not. I may have gotten more taxes back, then I would have before, I'll admit to that. But I'd much rather pay that to my country for all the programs that help people, educate children, and keep our country safe (and much more). I dont think it makes us safe to borrow money from china (one of our largest importers, if not THE largest). One day they will want that money back, what then? Would you sacrifice our safety and security, just so you can have an extra hundred bucks in your wallet? even though it hurts your state-wide community, and puts a strain on the programs we as americans rely on? I think its not such a good idea. Especially when most of the tax cut goes to those who make $200,000 or more a year. Since when did the rich need more money? I think the poor are the ones who need more money, and all they are gonna do with it is spend it into our economy anyways. We are the consumers after all.

I believe in Kerry, because I believe he understands what america is about; nevermind abortion or gay marraige issues. Those aren't as important as the other issues. The important issues are the ones that affect us all. Education, after school programs, programs like head start, and smart start (programs to help people so they dont have to resort to crime; which costs us money to prosecute them, and lock them up... much more than it would take to invest in these programs). We need to work on real healtchare reform, not phony drug-benefit policies that raise profits for drug companies, and prevent us from buying cheaper drugs overseas. We need to raise minimum wage, its not right that people who work full-time jobs make barely over 10,000 a year, all you can do with that is survive, and not very well. We need to fight a better war on terror, where we have help from our allies, because a threat to us is a threat to them. It affects us all. We need to invest in alternate fuel sources, so we no longer have to be dependant on middle-east oil (it just isnt smart to be, not economically, or for our national security).We need to close the tax loopholes that send jobs overseas, and give incentives to those who keep or make new jobs here. And we need to return to fiscal discipline, and work on controlling, and paying down the national debt. Whats wrong with all of that? you tell me.
All of these things Kerry has talked about, and although I know how our government works, and I know that he cant just make any of those things happen, I do know that he will try. I believe in him, because I believe he is genuine. I've read about his life, and his service to our country, and his struggles in politics. I have a pretty good idea what he stands for, and I do believe that he genuinely care about our country, and most importantly the people who call it home. I've seen his voting record, and anylized the decisions (which isnt easy to do, cause most sources dont tell you what each part of the bill was, it just tells you that they voted for it or against it, about 3 or 4 times sometimes... all this means, to anyone who DOESN'T understand this is, the bill changes as it gets voted on, so the one bill Kerry votes for the first time, isnt exactly the same bill he may have voted against the second time it gets voted on. Thats the purpose of the system, to mold the bills until they are at a place they can be agreed on and win the vote it needs.)

Bush made promises to us he hasn't kept, and with a republican dominated house, and senate, not to mention supreme court.... It stands to reason that he hasnt kept them, because he never intended to. A lot of shoddy bills have passed, with really nice names, like "the cleans skies inititive" which allows more toxic emmissons to be released into our atmosphere, and among those toxic emissions is mercury.
Well, what about "No child left behind" that was a good one right? well, look at it, its stricter, so that must be good. well, it didnt work incredibly great in texas where it started, but lets give this one a chance to grow and mature, maybe it will make a good difference. Of course, it would help more if he didnt underfund it.
PATRIOT ACT... Do I even have to go into this one? the government now has the right to watch your library records, and you expendatures, as well as being able to bypass due process by labeling someone an "enemy combatant" (after 3 years being held without trial in guantanamo bay, some of the thousands have gotten hearings from the supreme court, which has found their being held without due process, uncostitutional. Oh yeah, and you can have your home searched and they dont have to tell you about it. All anyone needs is a stamp from Ashcroft's office(no court needed anymore), and they can tap your phones, search your home, ect.
theres more, but you get the point.... I can understand the need for safety in this country, but we shouldnt have to sacrifice our privacy and freedom for it. There are other ways of conducting a mouse-hunt.
Lets see, Bush didnt want to create the 9/11 comission, and he fought forming it, until the 9/11 families finally put up enough of a fight to make it happen.
Bush fought "Homeland Security", and finilly gave in when enough pressure was put on him.
I just dont trust Bush. How can I be expected to trust the man with running our country.
I mean on August 6th Bush got a P.D.B. entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside The United States". The contents are as follows:
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August 6, PDB
The following is a redacted text of the presidential daily briefing from August 6, 2001:

Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladensince 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the U.S. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bringthe fighting to America." :

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladentold followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [deleted text] service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told [deleted text] serviceat the same time that Bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative'saccess to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that BinLaden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate theoperation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning hisown U.S. attack.

Ressam says Bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation.

Although Bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he preparesoperations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

AI Qaeda members -- including same who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in and traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains asupport structure that could aid attacks.

Two Al Qaeda members found guiltyin the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine sourcesaid in 1998 that a Bin Laden cell in New Yorkwas recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We havenot been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [deleted text] service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar' Abd aI-Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns ofsuspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations forhijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers Bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May sayingthat a group or Bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.
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Now I think the most relevant information is this right here... "Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."
Now I don't expect anyone to think, hijackings, new york city... holy crap, they gonna crash planes into new york! Thats not at all what I'm saying, but....
Logically, it would follow that if we have information telling us that terrorists may hijack planes, then why didnt anyone get informed of this? Why wasnt there drills run, to prapare people for what they may need to do if it happens.
If you read the 9/11 comission report, about what exactly happened on september 11th... you'll see that no one was prepared for any terrorist hijackings, and in my opionion they should have been. Because we had evidence that told us it might happen, using them as missles or not, we should have been prepared. And honestly now, why does one hijack a plane for terrorist purposes? lol, well we know now.
So no... I dont trust Bush, I can't. How can anyone trust a man who says he's appointed by god? I'm suprised all the cristians arent screaming Anti-Christ, he did promise us peace, and instead lead us to war. *laughs* Think what you will, but I'm only playing, cause I dont believe in end-times prophecy. Its not my bag, and Bush isnt either.

so check out www.johnkerry.com, find out about him. Don't just write him off cause the media tells you to. Maybe its the media you shouldnt be trusting. After all, how do you really know whos lying? You gotta find out yourself. It may be a bit of work, but its worth it.

Vote Kerry/Edwards, for a stronger and safer america, from the economy to heathcare, from education to national security, Kerry's got it covered. So lets get him in, and lets stay involved, cause we need to work together on the issues that we all share commonly... so we can do something about them and improve this country we all call home.

Posted by: ThinkForYourself at July 30, 2004 10:49 PM

JUST NOTE TO ALL, HENRYC IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF A FRINGE LEFTIST INDIVIDUAL. HIS BIBLE QUOTATIONS HAVE BEEN INACCURATE, AND BORROWED FROM CINEMA AND HIS MANNERISMS ARE PERFERVIDLY EXAGGERATED. VISA VI, HE IS POSING AS AN EXTREMIST FROM ONE FRINGE GROUP TRANSPARENTLY, AND ALL THE WHILE REVEALING TO THE REST OF US HIS TRUE INTENTIONS AND MOTIVES IN HIS PREDICTABLE PLATITUDES AND ENDLESS BLATHER. I ASK ALL OF YOU TO JOIN ME IN REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS PRESENCE. Thanks to all

Posted by: Phillip Rolen at July 31, 2004 12:08 AM

George Bush is chosen by GOD to be our President. He speaks for GOD, instead of that papist sitting on his throne in Rome. George Bush will win because has cosen it to be so. Those of you who dare criticize him will burn in the fires of hell.

Posted by: sid at July 31, 2004 03:49 AM

This kills me...."WOW, I cannot believe that there are still citizens of our great country who believe that George W. Bush has done a good job leading our nation the last two years. Not only has he done a HORRIBLE job, he is absolutely INCAPABLE of doing a better job. What "tough decisions" has Mr. Bush made? Do you mean starting a war without UN approval, alienating many of our oldest allies by doing so." This was posted by Steven. We need approval from the UN to start a war? OH MY....we are definite rejects if we need approval from the UN. No World Government order will tell the US what is right and wrong. Bah. Bush in 2004! Go Bush!

Posted by: Jared at July 31, 2004 06:23 AM

I dont know one self proclaimed conservative from the right that can stand before God himself and not fear what his punishment for their deeds on this Earth. That of course is something that is between God and that individual. I know one thing is for sure that teir will be a long line of these hipocrate consevatives befor God at judgement day. I am at peace with God and I do not fear for my deeds and I am willing to accept the consequenses for them. I am sure Georgy boy and our Tricky Dicky will try to unilaterally take over Heaven also. I think one fallen angel tried that once and his name was Lucifer or commonly known as the Devil. I am sure our Administration will have plenty to do some day in haties since they will have plenty of company from the like of Hiltler, Mousalini, Stalin, and the many other like themselfs.

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at July 31, 2004 05:06 PM

The question we must ask ourselves is this: Is the message of the democratic party a Christian message? The answer to that is of course, NO! We have to fight back against Satan and his unholy army of liberal democrats, John Kerry and John Edwards might want you to worship Satan, but President Bush does not. Satan can enter an adults mind just as easily as a child's and for that reason, we must do battle with the democratic party. I HAVE COME HERE TO LEAD ALL OF YOU OUT OF THE DARKNESS OF LIBERALISM, AND INTO THE LIGHT OF CONSERVATISM, I MADE A PILGRIMMAGE TO SAVE THE HUMAN RACE!!

Posted by: henryclay at July 31, 2004 08:08 PM

Henryclay did John Kerry actually say " i want you to worship Satan"? Henry please stop using the word satanic. I am a christian and Bush supporter. Didn't you get my last message saying that being a christian means to be like christ? remember those bracelets that said "what would Jesus do?" that is what a christian is supposed to think. Now i am not saying i do everything that Jesus would do but i know fo sho Jesus doesnt use the word "satanic" 5 times per serntence. calling people "satan worshiping" or "satan" is a little extreme. athiest and satan worshipers are 2 different things. Marylin Manson is a satan worshiper because he actually worships Satan. All you are doing is insulting the athiests. what you are saying is not honest and truthful. answer me this, do you actually think that before kerry goes to bed he kneels before his bed and starts praying to Satan? please answer the question honestly. If you say no than you are agreeing with me that Kerry doesnt worship Satan and that everything you say about Kerry and all athiest is a lie.
p.s. no offence Henryclay i believe you have good intentions some what and im glad you are a christian but i think you need to calm down a bit actually think "what would jesus do in my position". its funny, while i was typing the "what would Jesus do" i was thinking i need to do the same thing more often.

p.s.s Mykal M actually ive noticed its been pretty equall between reps and dems insulting each other. i dont know how you can tell the difference unless you actually counted them all. i dont mean just this board i mean all the boards

Posted by: Jeffro at August 1, 2004 01:14 AM

I have made the Pilgramage to Save the Human Race? I have come here to leas all of you out of the Darkness of Liberalism? What a right wing NUT! Kerry and Edwards want you to worship satan? God help this poor sould. The Bible stated judge and not be judged! Jeasus himself gathered with the sinners of his time and did not judge him. He himself understood that god made man with fredom of choice. Jeasus himself stated when the mass's wanted to stone Mary for being a prostitute let the one without sin cast the first stone! It was amazing that nobody cast a stone and the mass left Mary and she was spared. Again I say do not Judge unless to be judged. We are all part of the human race and just because one believes differently than another does not make one a devil worshiper. Their are many God believing and fearing Democrtates (Liberals and Conservative) and to classify us as being less in the eyes of God is something you must answere to God yourself about!

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 1, 2004 01:11 PM

Okay, Jesus would NOT support abortion, Jesus would NOT support stem-cell research, Jesus would NOT support same-sex marriages, Jesus would NOT support raising taxes, Jesus would NOT support pre-marital sex. Of course, John Kerry and John Edwards DO support all those things, while President Bush does not. President Bush will give this country back to Almighty God, if he has to shove the Holy Bible down the throats of liberals and pull it out of their rectum! All of you so-called Bush supporters have been lied to by the liberal media. I urge all of you to avoid MSNBC and CNN, you should only watch FOX News. We must bring people into Christianity any way we can before our Messiah's second coming, and because science disproves all of the claims made by our faith, we must resort to other methods: things like, spreading fear, ignorance, jealousy, and paranoia about non-Christian religions, censorship of all newspapers, books, magazines, radio, and television in order to block out all non-Christian views. No indiviual thought, only unity, allowing God and President Bush to lead us where ever they choose. Then we will all be saved from the lake of fire. AMEN, PRAISE BE!! Whew I'm just so happy in the lord!!!

Posted by: henryclay at August 1, 2004 06:09 PM

Jeffro, I haven't counted all the posts and do not intend to, I disagree with you, strongly, that insults amongst Demos and Repubs are equal. Now, I will say that there are many, many more Demos who are attacking Mr. Bush's administration and the decisions he has made, than there are Repubs attacking the credibility of Senator Kerry. Again, I will state that I feel this is because Repubs don't have much other ammo to come at Senator Kerry with and Mr. Bush's record doesn't allow them to fire back with much reason to re-elect him. But, I mean that is what we are all trying to do here, is persuade those who don't agree with our opinions to do so. Henry Clay alone has forsaken us all to HELL. Even you have tried several times to convince him to tone down his rhetoric, I am saddened because I think that MR. Clay truly believes that he is doing the LORDS work.

Posted by: MYKAL M at August 2, 2004 05:00 AM

In reference to Posted by: Jared at July 31, 2004 06:23 AM

Jared if you'll do me a favor scroll all the way back up to Posted by: MYKAL M at July 18, 2004 08:52 PM, there
you will see a lesson on how to "properly" challenge or call out someone on this forum, I refuse to cover it all again, because it's not that difficult and you've got to learn to fend for yourself.

Jared there is a reason for the UN and it is the same reason why the US "had" so many allies. Because we respected our position as a keeper of the peace and a united force. Not as a world bully. What war has the United States of America won without help from it's allies. NAME ONE, here's your chance to make me look really dumb, because I am asking this question without any research, but I am pretty certain that there isn't ONE! Because as great of a military SUPERPOWER that we are, we simply can't go at it alone. It cannot be done! There is nothing wrong with having help, why can't we all understand that. I never agreed with the war in Iraq I have said it over and over, Iraq and Saddam didn't attack and kill 3000 Americans on US soil on 9/11.

SCENARIO: Let's say we had waited, given the UN weapons inspectors a little more time. Let's say Saddam would have not cooperated in the extra time the inspectors were there. Let's say then that the UN and the rest of the world were conivinced that Saddam had something to hide or was up to no good. And we go in with the UN's approval and a multinational super coalition similar to that of the one in DS1. Maybe, just maybe, the US would not have had to send the number of American soldiers it did. Maybe, just maybe instead of 800 or 900 AMERICANS that have now DIED in Iraq, it would be more like 200-US, 200-BK, 200-Germany, 200-France, 200-Russia. Now, 200 AMERICAN lives is still 200 too many, but I am pretty damn sure it's alot better than 800,900 or 1000. Now, YOU may feel that a President who's hunger for blood is so strong, that he doesn't care if it's Amreican blood is the right thing for this country, but I disagree. It is the job of the President to protect the citizens he serves not send them to the most dangerous place known to man, WAR.

HERE THIS: I have NEVER agreed with the premises under which this war was started and have always felt, after doing my own research, that Saddam was of NO threat to the US. But, I do support and respect the AMERICAN soldier that has died in and that is still fighting in Iraq. They are there to do a job and I wish them all the luck in the world in doing so, I pray that not another AMERICAN dies in this conflict and that each of them returns home safely and intact.

Many people have said to me "then you are a hypocrite," "you can't speak against the decision to go to war and then support the soldiers." Certainly I can, my opposition has always been against Mr. Bush, his administration and all those who made the decision to fight to this war. Not against the SOLDIER fightin it! By speaking out, holding Mr. Bush accountable, voting him out of office we can insure that this does not happen again. We cannot bring back the hundreds of soldiers that have already died, and countless more that probably will in this conflict. But we can save lives in the future.
And please do not think that I believe that our troops should come home without finishing the job they started, we must now see to it that Iraq is Free and Democratic at any cost, the WRONG decision was made and now we must suffer the consequneces of that decision. Mr. Bush had no plan on how to achieve success, Senator Kerry is a war hero and I believe that there is no better man that could understand what the soldiers in
Iraq are going thru, and therefore he has a plan to finish the job and bring our boys home.

Posted by: MYKAL M at August 2, 2004 06:10 AM

henryclay, jesus may not support those things, but he wouldnt stop people from making those choices on their own.

Posted by: ThinkAboutIT at August 2, 2004 01:51 PM

concerning wendy c's comments about abortion you go on about women as victims in all this what you fail to understand a woman has a choice BEFORE sex takes place after that the concequences happen as a result of action the woman has the power to say no knowing the risks if she gets pregnant than there is a duty to have the baby i know the concept of responsibility will come as a shock to you considerind how woman can be so self-asorbed but there is another life to take into account i guess i should take some comfort in the fact more minorities have abortions and less minorities could be a benefit maybe abortion is good

Posted by: JR at August 3, 2004 12:32 AM

THERE IS A WAY, TO ESCAPE!!! THERE IS A WAY TO DEFEAT LIBERALISM!! we can all join together and deal a collective upper-cut to the democrats this November. This country was founded on the Holy Bible, not on stem-cell research.

Posted by: henryclay at August 3, 2004 01:47 AM

Hello Folks,

I am a Bush/Cheney supporter, through and through. When I read or hear the rantings of democrats who rabidly lash out at our president, all I hear is the same lunatic claims made by the likes of Moore. Only a handful of bogus claims, spouted over and over, ad infinitum, by mind-numbed miscreants who would believe ANYTHING that supported their malignant world view.

Contrasting that, each time I hear or read criticisms of Kerry/Edwards, they are new every day. It's as if for every three anti-Bush claims repeated a hundred times, there are three hundred anti-Kerry claims repeated only once. It would appear that Kerry's negatives outweigh Bush's by a hundred to one. We just don't repeat the same tired accusations as much as the micro-brains in the democrat/socialist party.

John

Posted by: Keeping It Real at August 4, 2004 11:33 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, have you ever asked yourself why the United States government is controlled by only one political party, instead of two like it was in the 1990s? Because the American people realize that there is a higher moral law than the constitution, the people realize that there is a higher moral principle than democracy, and that is THE HOLY BIBLE. The American people are a God-fearing conservative people. We do not want liberals in our government, we do not want liberals roaming the streets at night, we do not want liberals producing anti-republican movies. IT'S THAT SIMPLE

Posted by: henryclay at August 4, 2004 06:10 PM

Really?

How about this new one on Bush---from PIMNEWS.com

RACIAL PROFILING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL?

The Bush-Cheney campaign insisted on knowing the race of a photographer for the Arizona Star. The newspaper refused to provide the information.

Journalists who cover the Presidential campaign need to provide their name, background information and social security number before they can come into contact with the candidates.

According to Teri Hayt, the newspaper's Daily Managing Editor, this is the first time a campaign has asked for the name of a staff person in her twenty six years in journalism.

Hayt comments in the Arizona Star, "One has to wonder what they were going to do with that information. Because she has Indian ancestry, were they going to deny her access? I don't know." A Bush spokesperson claimed that the information was needed for security purposes, though that has not been considered common practice with previous administrations.

Posted by: Paul at August 4, 2004 08:16 PM

No new stuff every day? How about this one---

GEORGE BUSH REMEMBERED BY FORMER PROFESSOR

While Democrats, the national press, Michael Moore and the publishing board of this website have been keeping themselves busy scouring for his missing National Guard records, the years following his "tour of duty" have recieved little scrutiny. That is until last week when one of his old professors at the Harvard Business School blasted him in a scathing article.

Yoshihiro Tsurumi, a visiting professor of International Business at Harvard between 1972 and 1976, says Bush was one of 85 students he taught in a first year course titled, �Environment Analysis for Management.� Bush scored in the bottom ten percent of students in his class and was remembered for being flippant, arrogant, and a right-wing extremist.

As a harbinger of things to come, Bush equated FDR's New deal with socialism and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) as an ememy of capitalism. According to Professor Tsumuri, Bush "didn�t stand out as the most promising student, but...he made it sure we understood how well he was connected."

There is enough material on Bush to start a new library.

Posted by: Paul at August 4, 2004 08:17 PM

THERE IS A WAY, TO ESCAPE!!! THERE IS A WAY TO DEFEAT LIBERALISM!! we can all join together and deal a collective upper-cut to the democrats this November. This country was founded on the Holy Bible, not on stem-cell research.

Thank god you were not around when they invented the telephone, automobile, electricity, airplane, cure for polio, etc.

Posted by: Paul at August 4, 2004 08:49 PM

Hey liberals dare you to read through these actual quotes.

Tell the Truth! (TEOCS)
=======================
Here's where President Bush got his marching orders:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons
of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), JOHN KERRY ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building! weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threate! n the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President! of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in
his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. JOHN KERRY (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
> - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
>
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear
program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including
al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
> capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
> - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec.! 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVEr WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND THAT HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY !

TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PRESIDENT LEADING US TO WAR.

Posted by: R. Davis at August 4, 2004 10:12 PM

Mykal - Haven't we learned anything from History and negotiating with madmen? If not we are doomed to repeat it. Here's some history and some perspective:
Prime Minister

Chamberlain confronted the threat to peace posed by Germany and Italy. Seeking to appease Adolf HITLER and Benito MUSSOLINI, he first negotiated a treaty with Italy accepting the conquest of Ethiopia on condition that Italy withdraw from the Spanish Civil War. Turning to the Czech question, Chamberlain conferred with Hitler and Mussolini. In the Munich pact (1938), signed also by France, Chamberlain accepted Hitler's territorial claims to predominantly German areas of Czechoslovakia. Though Chamberlain assured Britain that his concession had brought "peace in our time, Hitler soon broke his agreement and occupied the rest of Czechoslovakia.

After Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, Chamberlain honored a pledge to stand by Poland and led Britain into war two days later. Although his policies were discredited, he held on as prime minister until May 1940, when he resigned and was succeeded by Winston CHURCHILL. He died in Heckfield on Nov. 9, 1940.

Character and Political Philosophy

As befitted the son of the most famous Liberal Radical of the late 19th century, Neville Chamberlain was keenly interested in the amelioration of social conditions.
The following is the wording of the printed statement that Neville Chamberlain waved as he stepped off the plane on 30 September, 1938 after the Munich Conference had ended the day before:
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"We, the German F�hrer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.
We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."
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Chamberlain read the above statement in front of 10 Downing St. and said:
"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Well, we all know the outcome of that agreement - 50 million lives were lost. Over 400,000 American Soldiers. All it did was give Hitler more time.

Try reading "The Prophet of Doom". Maybe that'll scare the hell out of you. There's a website were you can read the whole thing online. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html
Then come back and tell me you really believe we should have put our trust in the UN and other so called allies. I think not. He who hesitates is lost. We've all ready waited too long to fight this evil. We don't have the luxury of time to do it your way. In fact, I really think it's too late all ready. With over 1 billion Muslims, I think the rest of us are all ready doomed. If you think we can contain this hatred, you are living in LaLa land and say hello to Toto for me.

Posted by: Sue at August 5, 2004 11:36 AM

I was just browsing through these comments and one caught my eye. My family has been democrat for as long as far back as I can research. We are the most God fearing, church going people I know. Who has the audacity or should I say shear ignorance to say most Democrats do not believe in God. You should be slapped and put to bed for such a comment you bible thumping, hypocritic republican. If Jesus were here now he'd probably slap your face. Shame on you.

Posted by: D. McBride at August 5, 2004 01:58 PM

You need serious help Sid. It's an election not a cult.

Posted by: D. McBride at August 5, 2004 03:48 PM

Oh, Democrats believe in God alright, it's just that most of them think He'd be a little more important if He worked for the government.

Posted by: Webkabob at August 5, 2004 04:03 PM

I do not vote straight republican or democrat. I weigh what the candidate says he does or does not support. It just so happens in the last several years it has been a republican. If any christian votes for kerry in my opinion they are a hypocrit. Kerry stands for some very immoral and in my book criminal things. How can you profess to be a christian and not be pro life. Get your heads our of your pocket books and your heart in the right place. God will take care of your pocket books if we live our lives as Christ like as we can.

Posted by: c.gearhart at August 5, 2004 06:28 PM

Bush/Cheney 2004

How could you even consider voting for kerry he is a fraud!

Posted by: Dan at August 5, 2004 08:24 PM

If Kerry gets the election on November 2, 2004, Lord have mercy on our souls. It is a scarey thought to think he will be running our country! Kerry says what the American people wants to hear. Ask your self, will he follow through of all the promise's he says he will do? Kerry's record shows proof of what he really is. Out 38 Intelligence committee's he only attended 10. He voted no on the Homeland security. And he said he would make sure that Homeland would be secure if he is elected. America wake up and smell the coffee!!!! On November the 2nd ask your self is Kerry the man that we want to run this country! It is a scarey thought!!

Posted by: Lori at August 5, 2004 11:10 PM

I am most definetly pro-life. Stop sending our soldiers to foreign countries to be killed. Stop bombing innocent children, men and women.
Americans make the right decision to keep your children. Bush kills. Kerry allows us to the freedom to make the right decisions. You know... America, Freedom, Choice...

Posted by: D. McBride at August 6, 2004 08:46 AM

Peace + Love
I loved reading your comments. That's exactly how I feel only you put in words. Thanks.

Posted by: D. McBride at August 6, 2004 09:19 AM

To D. McBride.

How can you say your are "definitely pro-life" and support Kerry. He not only is pro-abortion, but voted for the horrific procedure called partial birth abortion. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. That is hypocritical.

Posted by: D. Green at August 9, 2004 11:42 AM

The real hpocritical thing here is voting for Bush. He's a guy who says he was chosen by god (obviously delusional). Is anti-abortion, but pro death penalty. IN FACT IN TEXAS WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR, HE WAS CALLED THE TEXECUTIONER. I'm seriious about that, I live here. Bush's programs aren't woirking, we have a net loss of jobs, Iraq is now a terrorist haven, and our economy is in bad shape cause we have rising debts, WHICH TAKE MONEY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. We're running low on troops, so they have to extend the stours of soldiers who are already there. Iraq has sucked up OVER 144 BILLION DOLLARS, and the only good thing it accomplished was taking down Saddam. Now e have to deal with Al-Queda's ranks growing faster than ever before. That money 144 Billion, could have been spent on national security, to keep us safe at home, and help other countries, like afghanistan rebuild, and we'd be abl;e to retrofit our home defenses, and still have money left over. We are no safer than we were on 9/11, and now that Al-queda is growing, I think its safe to say that we are at more risk now than ever. Lets face it, Bush blew it.
Kerry has a plan, and its a good one... and it will help everyone. Not just here in our own country, but it will restore america's role as a leader, and most respected country in this would. If we ever expect to make a difference in this world, we can't do it alone. and we can't do it at the end of a gun.

Posted by: Peace + Love at August 10, 2004 09:36 PM

Oh sure, Kerry has a better plan? He voted to go to Iraq. He claims to want to build the economy and develop jobs. Go to the store and look a a Heinz product and see where it is made. If you think we are no safer than we were, you have obviously not been paying attention to the news over the last few months. The terror attacks that have been thwarted. The Al-Queda individuals that have been captured. As far as the executioner. You have no argument there. Abortion is INNOCENT blood. Executions were for conviceted criminals. Not innocent.

No Bush is by no means delusional. Someone else is here.

Posted by: D. Green at August 11, 2004 04:58 PM

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