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August 01, 2004

Bush Is Up In Election Results

President Bush is back in the lead. On the bush vs. kerry fight, SoftVote's Presidential Poll shows President Bush leading with 49%, where as Senator John Kerry is falling behind with 44%.

It has been a bitter election campaign for President Bush since his unpopularity among Americans has increased in the past weeks, but President Bush's senior strategists have vowed to use the month of August as the time to drive a vigorous anti-kerry campaign. They will make personal attacks to Kerry's campaign and show Kerry's opposition towards the war on terror.

Presidential Election results are still showing a neck-to-neck competition and judging from the Bush picture displayed above, Bush will be starting the month with a thumbs up.

Posted by Tuck at August 1, 2004 09:46 PM

Comments

Where was John Kerry during 38 of 45 Senate Intelligence Committee meetings? We need to ask ourselves. Is this the kind of leadership we want as our Commander and Chief? I for one want someone who does what he says he is going to do and will insist on results.

Posted by: Chris Tatem at August 1, 2004 10:23 PM

You know, I think it is amazing how people only hear what they want to hear, how they ally themselves with one particular party and then become blind and deaf to all criticisms levelled against that party. They also quote verbatim the mud that is being slung at those who do not share the same opinion as themselves. Just for the record, John Kerry is NOT against the war on terrorism. He is not a pacifist who would be afraid to lead our country into war. Instead he is a man of integrity and vision that recognizes that we are frail human beings that sometimes let our own potential for personal gain get in the way of doing what is just. There is no courage without wisdom, and there is no justice without love. The acts that were committed on September 11 were an atrocity that defies adequate words. Nobody is denying that. The fact that someone needs to be held accountable for those attrocious acts is also undeniable. But surely we should spend our hard-earned time and resources on a war against the people that actually committed these crimes against humanity, rather than someone who we think just might have been connected to them. Why is it that we have forgotten the hunt for Osama bin Laden? What are we doing about that? I for one want to see an administration in the White House that I can be inspired by. I want to see leadership that displays its strength through careful thought and visionary planning and execution of ideas. I want to see a President who can get us excited about being Americans again. That lead us towards a brighter tomorrow that is not fuelled by fear, and not crushed by negativism. Today is a new day and a new dawn. I love this country, and I know that our God longs to see it grow into its full potential as an elder statesman of this world.

Posted by: Susanna at August 1, 2004 11:23 PM

Kerry didn't get much of a convention bounce?
Thats Great

Posted by: George Crevier at August 2, 2004 01:43 AM

Anyone who votes for Bush doesn't know they are voting for corruption and fear.

Posted by: tom at August 2, 2004 05:04 AM

Kerry's convention is a net gain of 5 for Bush...GET KERRY BACK ON TV - AND KEEP HIM THERE!!! ha ha ha

Posted by: Steve at August 2, 2004 11:58 AM

They will make personal attacks to Kerry�s campaign. I THINK THIS SAYS IT ALL! If Mr. Bush and his cronies had something positive to campaign on they would not have to attack Kerry! What does George W have to boast about? 900 + war dead, 1000�s of others wounded and crippled missing limbs. He can always boast about this fabulous economic recovery where millions of lost jobs are being replaced by jobs that are paying 10�s of thousands less than the ones lost. He can always campaign on the rising health care costs and record the number of people without health care. He can boast that the Nation has a record deficit under his leadership or that he now wants to subsidize the deficit by spending social security surplus�s that will have our seniors eating cat food so they can afford to buy medicine and leaving our children with the bill for generations. What exactly is this Bush Republican agenda about? He is dividing our country, subsidizing corporate billionaires by giving them large tax incentives for sending jobs over seas and out of the country. He wants to allow assault weapons back on the streets while taking the funding for the 800,000 police officers away and taking them off the street. Under funding the no child left behind act! Our schools can not afford to fund these mandates because of the additional financial burdens it puts on property owners at the local level that fund 80% percent of the schools. All along he wants to criticize Mr. Kerry and Edwards�s records when he himself has a long record to debate of deceit and unkempt promises. What happened to reaching across party lines, I have yet to hear him or anyone in the RNC talking about unity and working together, they are only talking about promoting their views and values (The Republican Bush National Agenda)! We have had 4 years to witness this agenda and it SUCKS! I suppose the Republican Party holding over votes to the we ours of the night to strong arm votes their way by threaten to hold back campaign funds to those that disagree with them is AMERICA at its best to promote this agenda of Bush�s. Then we have Mr. Cheney saying Edwards does not have the back ground to be Vice President? Oh my lord! Mr. Edwards 6 years in the senate and on the National Security Committee have more foreign policy and domestic experience that George Bush had to be President before he got elected! George W�s 6 years experience as being the Governor of Texas one of the weakest Governorships in the Union does not even come close to the experience Edwards has right now. I suppose having back door meeting with polluters to roll back every Environment Law that is on the books is a valid attribute and qualification. Never mind Halliburton and his and George W�s personal relationship with the heads of Enron. It is the like of Rush Limbaugh and his drug induced visions that have rotted every Republicans brain with this agenda . I guess it is nice to have a Nation Spokesman that is an admitted drug addict that broke laws to get his drugs is something every conservative is prouder of!

Bush campaign on what you are going to do that you have not been able to do in the last 4 years! What the hell you did not do anything you promised in 2000 so go ahead and promise away! I am looking forward to seeing you on inauguration day this January! Watching John Kerry take the oath of the highest office in the land so we can start to restore this great county of ours!

Kerry /Edwards 2004

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 2, 2004 12:47 PM

How many voters are in your poll daily?.
What are the dynamics of the voters you reach?

Posted by: Ray at August 2, 2004 01:04 PM

check this website which is updated everyday

Posted by: james at August 2, 2004 01:38 PM

George Bush must think there�s a sucker born every minute if he thinks Americans are going to believe that he�s been enforcing trade agreements. The fact of the matter is that George Bush has looked the other way while millions of US workers have lost their jobs.

George Bush is ignoring the truth about children in this country. During the Bush Presidency, more children have fallen into poverty, millions of children still do not have health insurance and education has been cut short year after year. If George Bush was serious about helping children in this country, he would actually provide the resources to keep the promise of No Child Left Behind, protect our children from environmental dangers and stop trying to cut important children�s programs.

AMERICAN FAMILIES ARE STILL WAITING FOR A DOMESTIC AGENDA!

When it comes to empowering Americans to hold their HMOs accountable, George Bush isn�t just two-faced � he�s three-faced: first, he opposed Texas�s Patient�s Bill of Rights; then he took credit for it during the 2000 election; then he asked the Supreme Court to kill it. George Bush is out of touch and out of credibility on this and so many other issues that are important to the American people

Once again, the Bush campaign is trying to mislead the American people about the economy. On the same day the Bush Administration reported that real wages are decreasing, making it tougher for middle class families to make ends meet, the Bush campaign claims wages are rising. It's another sign that George W. Bush is out of touch and out of credibility.

While the Bush administration continues to suggest that our economy is good enough, discussions around the kitchen table tell a very different story. Incomes are down while costs for health care, college, energy and child care are up. Unable to meet their financial obligations, middle-class families are facing bankruptcy in record numbers.

You don't suddenly become president when its time to run for reelection. In the 1,298 days since bush has taken office, 4 million have lost health insurance, 1.8 million jobs have been lost and four million young people have dropped out of high school. That's what a lack of a domestic agenda will do for a nation. It shouldn�t take a political campaign to focus on families.

His Party should change their mascot from the elephant to an Osterage! He believes that sticking your head in the ground long enough and ignoring the economy, job loss's, health care, education, and everything else that is going believing everthing will get better on their own.

American Families do not have their heads buried in the sand and we expect our President not to have his buried either!

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 2, 2004 02:14 PM

President Bush and Vice President Cheney took a shot at John Edwards, suggesting the U.S. senator was ill-prepared to be vice president of the United States. The attack was a cheap shot: John Edwards has served the same amount of time in the Senate as George W. Bush served as governor of Texas when he was elected president. The Texas legislature only meets every other year and the governorship of the Lone Star State has long been considered one of the weakest positions of its kind in America. Add to it that Edwards has sat on the intelligence committee through the days before and after September 11th. You could argue that Edwards has more experience in key areas than George W. Bush did when he ran in 2000. Edwards also has more national security experience than Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter did when they became president.

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 2, 2004 02:19 PM

Amazing... largest deficit in our history, terrible economy this spring, hunderds of thousands of jobs lost, fiasco in Iraq and somehow people think he's doing a good job and beleive the BS he feeds the American public. I hope people wake up before this election and see the real George W. It's amazing that Clinton unsetaed his Father in a landslide, Gore won the popular vote last election and now they're in a dead heat... I'm stunned. Not that I like Kerry all that much, but are people in this country so naive, ignorant and arrogant not to see through this sham in the white house?

Posted by: Kevin at August 2, 2004 03:46 PM

I just want to say that I think we "NEED" President Bush for another 4-year term. He has started many things and I think it's only fair he has the opportunity to see them through to the end. How can anyone say he's "failed", if we haven't yet seen the end result? I don't believe that Kerry will be a man to stand firm on what he says. He has played both sides of the fence on nearly every issue and has been absent for many of the Senate meetings. A leader cannot only make appearances when convenient and certainly should not be a man who has no firm stance on various issues and sticks with it. I'm sorry, but Kerry is too wishy-washy for this country and at this time, we cannot afford that!

Bush 2004!!!!

Posted by: Kathi Elmore at August 2, 2004 04:36 PM

Why can't John Kerry be honest ? He claims Bush was not honest about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, but he (with Daschle and Levin ) wrote to Clinton in 1998 "to take necessary actions, including air and missile strikes against Iraq for refusal to end it's weapons of mass destruction program" now he acts as if Bush made up weapons of mass destruction? Please be honest Mr. Kerry!

Posted by: Charles Hall at August 2, 2004 04:46 PM

talk about out of touch kerry is the richest senator in history seeking office and all i hear is how bush is for big business and such what a bunch of crap and to say kerry wouldnt be soft on the terrorists is laughable considering how our enemy in vietnam honor his " commitment" to his fellow soldiers when he came back from service I dont think the democracts deal with reality much

Posted by: JR at August 2, 2004 05:40 PM

For those who think John Kerry has any integrity at all, please investigate why only 1 of his 23 fellow Vietnam Swift Boat Officers actually supports him and most others think he is "unfit for command". The fact is that most of these men find him totally offensive and and an absolutely reprehensible human being for the lies he told about their service. Most military personnel would have been embarrased to report the level of injury he used to attain his Purple Hearts. On the domestic front, anyone who thinks he has accomplished anything in the Senate is either simply not informed or completely blind. The truth is that he will say and do anything to get what he wants.

Posted by: Jim (Boston,MA) at August 2, 2004 05:50 PM

The thing is, there are so many lies floating around about Kerry... Its too bad that people take what they hear or read, and never once take the responsibility of checking the veracity of the information. There's a lot of lies, from both sides. But the alarms start to go off for me when the lies are coming straight out of the president's mouth. You may never know the whole truth behind every story you read, you can't prove or disprove every fact. But, the ones you can disprove that come out of Bush's mouth are enough to prove to me that Bush is willing to do anything to keep people ignorant, or misinformed enough to vote for him.

If anyone wants me to go down the list and prove Bush's lies I'd be happy to accomidate. This isn't about being right or wrong, this is about truth versus lies. I choose truth, and truth is the hardest road, because you have to actually do the work to figure it out... Otherwise, your just as good as accepting propoganda, no matter what your being told to believe. If only the american people would do the footwork, to verify the truth, instead of being lazy.

Posted by: ThinkForYourself at August 2, 2004 05:57 PM

It is amazing that the anti Bush people want to forget Bush inherited the recession from the Clinton years lead us thruogh the worst attacks since Pearl Harbor and has now taken the war that was declared on us to the enemy instead of letting the hit us with no consquenses like Clinton !!! as with any war there has been losses and we all should feel for there families there sacrifice is keeping us safe. Now for the strong defense Kerry promises no where in his votes in the senate has he ever supported the modernization of the armed forces he usaully wants to cut. Like his attempt to cut the intelligence even more after Clinton had gutted the budget. If you want to give hope to all the terrorist in the world vote Kerry

Posted by: wpnsgy at August 2, 2004 09:28 PM

It is amazing to me how so many people on the left are so angry.

An election can not be won by anger.

PG.
�Extremism in the defense of liberty, is no vice,

And let me remind you,

Moderation in the cause of justice is no virtue."

Barry Goldwater

Posted by: JustaPhoneGuy at August 2, 2004 10:32 PM

talk about out of touch kerry is the richest senator in history seeking office and all i hear is how bush is for big business and such what a bunch of c*** and to say kerry wouldnt be soft on the terrorists is laughable considering how our enemy in vietnam honor his " commitment" to his fellow soldiers when he came back from service I dont think the democracts deal with reality much.

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? The fact of the matter Georgy boy comes from one of the richest and powerful political families since JFK! Grand Dady was a Senator, Dad was a Senator and former President, his Brother is the Governor of Florida and lets not forget what happened in 2004! and he is the former Governor of Texas and now the President! Talk about wealth and power> What about the oil he comes from? what about the Texa Rangers he owned> The truth of the matter he is a worse President than he was as owner of the Rangers! Maybe he should go back to owning a Baseball team. And he sucked as that also! Being the Governor of a State thats State Legislature only meets every other year and is concidered the weakest in the Union does not make hime the second comming of Christ as he believe's. I am looking forward to seeing him this January watching John Kerry get sworn in and taking his job. He wont starve to death, he will have benifits! To bad most of the ones that lost there jobs wont have the same luxury.

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 2, 2004 11:35 PM

hEY jAMES:

wHAT'S AN oSTERAGE?

Posted by: GI Iraq at August 3, 2004 12:17 AM

From What I read, The military people that know Kerry don't care much for him. These are people who put their lives on the line to keep this country free & safe.I think I will trust their judgement.I notice many prominant democrats are supporting Bush. It looks like The democratic party has changed a lot since I voted for President Kennedy.They are following Clinton. The worst president in our history. The Democrats no longer represent the values that I was brought up with. I will vote for President Bush.I believe he is an honest and sincere man.

Posted by: Bill at August 3, 2004 04:32 AM

It isn't enough to assert that President Bush is lying. You must tell us where you believe he is lying. Nor is enough to assert that John Kerry is lying without also citing those lies.

My problem with John Kerry is that he asserts one view but often votes in a different direction. While stating, in pro-life states, that he believew life begins at conception, he still voted against partial birth abortions and the Laci Petersen law giving the law the right to charge of murder when a fetus is lost in a violant crime against the mother.

Citing that he can not impose his own moral views in legislation and then confusing moral views with religious views, isn't Kerry admitting that he can set aside what he believes to be right and wrong, not from a religious standpoint but a moral standpoint. Therfore, I question what else can Senator Kerry set aside morally to keep the special interest groups in his camp.

On the abortion issue, science has neither proved nor disproved that the fetus can be identified as a human with rights. Since it can not be proved or disproved, isn't it better to pass judgement based upon caution. Since we are uncertain, we should not allow for abortions, except in the most extreme instances, because we might be wrong about when life begins.

I am also deeply concerned that John Kerry is using his Vietnam War record as part of his campaign yet most of those who served with him have deemed him unfit for command and question the validity of his purple hearts. If it were only a few, as the one who supports Kerry, but it isn't, it's 12 out of 19 (2 are deceased and 4 are not available for comment). Many of the media attack these men, as Senator Kerry attacked those serving in Vietnam after he returned to these shores accusing them of war atrocities.

I have listened to Senator Kerry during the campaign, I have listened to his promises. I have listened to his assault on President Bush from the very beginning of this campaign and the one glaring fact is that while he promises only to raise taxes on those earning above 200,000, he has also said that he wanted to repeal Bushes tax cuts, re-enact the marriage penalty tax and the child credit tax. He said that he will be tough on terrorism yet continually voted against strengthening our military, including proposing a a cut in the military that even Senator Ted Kennedy could not endorse. In his 18 years as Senator, John Kerry has never been able to persuade enough people to get anything he has proposed passed into law and now he tells us he will use those same powers of persuasion to get the French and Germans involved in the coalition.

President Bush has been accused of lying to us about weapons of mass destruction and each day this diatribe is roled out in front of us even though some weapons have been found including enough bombs loaded with Sarin to strike and cripple every major city on the east coast. These bombs were found in a vault that was designed to deliberatly through off scanning of weapons inspectors. The information about weapons of mass destruction came from intelligence all around the world and that information was given to Congress, especially the Senate Intelligence Committe under which Senator Kerry served. He missed most of those meetings however and then said he never read the reports but trusted that the President was telling the truth. If Senator Kerry, who was responsibile to Americans as a Senator to read this information and advise the President, couldn't take the time to read the information, why am I supposed to trust him with the security of this nation.

This is all a matter of record. Not lies, but actually record. It's not mud-slinging, it's the truth based upon facts that can be reasoned or perhaps justified away by ignoring them or just coldly calling them lies but then I must ask, who really, is in denial here!

Posted by: Jim Rodkey at August 3, 2004 09:23 AM

I am so glad that the American people are coming to their senses, and are shifting towards President Bush. I was afraid that Satan was casting a spell over all of us, causing us to consider voting for John Kerry. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be the generation that sees Armaggedon and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, we need President Bush's wisdom and courage to guide us through the dark. Liberal Hollywood celebrities do not have your best interests at heart, only President Bush truly loves you and wants to protect you from the evil devil-worshipping Arabs, I know that all of us remember that awful September day, when Satan attacked America and those towers came crashing down. To all liberals: Dust off your bibles and start reading them for a change!! This election is not about democrat versus republican, this election is about VALUES, family values, things like God and country. John Kerry and the Satan worshipping democratic party wish to tear down God's most sacred nation, so I would like to send a message to the liberals: PACK YOUR BAGS AND MOVE TO FRANCE!! THERE IS NO ROOM FOR YOU IN GOD'S COUNTRY!

Posted by: henryclay at August 3, 2004 02:00 PM

It seems to me alot of republicans have their head up their butt, they are blind to fact Bush has led us astray. And he will continue to do so if it is profitable for him and his administration.

Posted by: brian(texas) at August 3, 2004 03:42 PM

Why is it that Dubya is relying on 4 year old information to issue a terror alert with? Why weren't they forthcoming at the beginning with the fact this info was four years old? I live in DC and the entire city is covered with checkpoints.

You always know when Bush is slipping in the polls when there's a new terror alert. Go to pimnews.com for the real info on this mass misleader.

Posted by: Paul Pimentel at August 3, 2004 04:34 PM

For Paul - you're selective statement on the facts is what blurs the truth. If you read the NY Times you would have learned that the information they received had recently been updated in early 2004. Besides we know it took years for the terrorists to plan 9/11. But, the information you repeated here also destroys the liberal argument that GWB has caused the increase in planned attacks. You see that's the problem with liberals, they want to have it both ways and hope that people won't see through there transparent lies. It doesn't matter what GWB does, you can never see the good in it so why should anyone believe you. You are blinded by your hatred and can't see the forest through the trees.

Posted by: Sue at August 3, 2004 06:15 PM

Hey Louis in Canton. Congratulations on listening to a John Kerry radio adverstisent and then copying in verbatum on this website. Glad to see you are not completely blinded by your liberal views.

Posted by: Greg at August 3, 2004 06:30 PM

Anyone who votes for a person who thinks abortion is ok....is a Murder of children.
Just as if they pulled out the knife and did it themselves!
Dems are a bunch of Baby killing,Imoral fudge packers.
Get rid of them we dont need'em.

Posted by: John at August 3, 2004 09:46 PM

DEMS ARE IMMORAL BABY KILLERS!
oh, and FUDGE PACKERS.

Posted by: john at August 3, 2004 09:48 PM

President Bush and God call on you to reject the democratic party.

Posted by: henryclay at August 3, 2004 10:24 PM

Sue - There's being blinded by hatred, like most people like you are when it comes to blacks, latinos, foreigners, gays, and anyone who speaks their mind and opposes your point of view.

Then there are those who have been lied to over and over again by a recovering alcoholic who thinks God speaks through him. Like Dogs, they jump up or down on queue, kinda like each time the terror alert moves.

I'm still waiting to hear any of you explain his ties with the Bin ladins through the Carlyle Group. I still want to know why this country through Bush has been hijacked by the Saudis and why it is OK. I still am waiting to even hear the guy give one good positive reason why he should even be re-elected that has nothing to do with fear mongering or negative attacks.

The reason? There are none. There are 3 million less Americans working today, the first time a President since Hoover has managed to pull that off. Income has actually dropped two years in a row, even with these tax cuts that didn't do anything for the middle class. And the deficit - there's a joke. How can a real conservative, which you may claim to be, actually argue that the deficit is a good thing? Don't give me the "we're at war" b.s. because you don't go giving tax cuts while you're at war - we're all in the same boat and god knows we all have to do our part unless you think it's ok to give people sitting at home, safe and sound, making over $200,000 a year a good idea while poor kids get to die.

The conservative movement is a hollow image of itself. It has lost any intellectual and moral high ground the minute this idiot entered the White House.

Posted by: Paul at August 3, 2004 11:01 PM

For Henry Clay - what makes us separate from the rest of the animal kingdom is our ability to think for ourselves in a rational manner. It is something God blessed us with. If GW is anything in biblical terms, it would be closer to the antichrist. Unfortunately, your diminished mental capacities make you unable to comprehend this.

Posted by: Paul at August 3, 2004 11:09 PM

It's not Mr. Bush, it's PRESIDENT Bush. I have several points to make from everyone's input.
1. If John Kerry is for jobs in America, then why not start by bringing Heinz back to America? Oh yes, cheap labor. Gotcha!
2. Who says that the hunt for Osama is over? That was a ridiculous comment!
3. If anyone is blinded, it's those that think that a war can be fought with words. Right! Uh, no, WRONG! We didn't become a strong country on words my dear flower people, we became strong with the blood of Americans that has allowed you the freedom to protest and has given you a choice.
4. People tend to forget that 9/11 hurt our economy and President Bush's adminstration has caused an upward trend in jobs, employement and the rise of the economy. Who's blind?
5. I don't believe in socialized medicine. I don't want to pay or the rich have to pay for my medical needs. The rich have earned their money and it's up to us to earn our own keep. I don't understand it. You want the government out but you want the government to steal from the rich to give to the poor? Ridiculous! Get off your butts and use your time wisely and earn your own keep. Welfare is what is keeping America in the dumps!
I have so much more to say about you Flower people but I can turn blue in the face and you won't get it anyway!

Posted by: Alice Blonskij at August 4, 2004 01:35 AM

BUSH IS THE MAN FOR THIS TIME IN HISTORY.

Posted by: paul at August 4, 2004 02:29 AM

BUSH CAN RUN CIRCLES AROUND KERRY ,FLIP FLOP,FLIP FLOP.

Posted by: PAUL at August 4, 2004 02:32 AM

Hey Greg you are welcome! I am glad to see you and the rest of your extreme conservatives in this country truly believe W is doing what is best for this country. Another 4 years of W will assure that this country and its constitution and economy will be laid on its ear for decades. I for one value my civil liberties that the framers of the constitution granted us. A government of the people by the people. This country was founded on the very freedoms this administration is taking from us. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion and our own individual beliefs, this is not a government by the Bush for Bush and the conservatives that wish only to push their own values and views on everyone. The fact George W was a Governor for Texas, the weakest Governorship in the Union where the legislature only meets every other year along what has started to happen to this country under his failed leadership is proof that this man was not prepared and should not have been given the opportunity to lead our country and should not and will not get the opportunity to screw it up even more.

Posted by: Louis (Canton, Ohio) at August 4, 2004 09:58 AM

Reading the hate filled rantings of Louis from Canton, which have no basis in fact or reality shows why President Bush is building his lead daily in the SoftVote and other polls.

Some facts...

Louis says Bush is creating jobs that pay less than ones lost. Bull! You cannot cite any statistic that bears that out. In fact this is the first recovery in modern history where wages are growing faster than inflation.

Louis claims that Bush is taking our freedoms away but he cannot name one American citizen who has had his freedoms taken away, who has had his library records seized, credit report taken or any of the other atrocities the neo-liberals claim he has.

The forgotten hunt for Bin Laden. We have 140,000 troops in Iraq pacifying a nation of 25,000,000 people but 20,000 men in Afghanistan looking for one man. Forgotten? That's just ignorant.

Granted the Texas goverorship is relatively weak but look at the historic things Bush did with it. Reviving Texas's economy, improving its education system, bringing in high paying jobs, reducing crime. The man was re-elected with nearly 70% support for a reason.

Posted by: Michael at August 4, 2004 12:23 PM

Paul - Listen to what you're saying, you don't even know me at all, yet you make the statement that I'm blinded by hatred for blacks, foreigners or anyone who disagress with me. First of all, I am a New Yorker, the melting pot state. You assume that I'm some conservative who comes from the South and whom you believe to be inferior to you. It is you who is prejudiced against people who don't think like you. For all you know I could be black, gay, latino, or foreign, yet you choose to malign me without a shred of evidence. You insist on stereo typing republicans and this reveals that you are the one with the prejudices, not me. I do not malign people who don't see my point of view, but I do not respect people who use conspiracy theories to justify theirs. I do not care who you are, where you come from or what your sexual orientation is.

As for the terror alerts, even Bill Clinton last night on David Letterman agreed the administration did the right thing. Isn't it better to be safe than sorry?

There aren't 3 million out of work, over 1.5 million jobs have been created since last year. Besides he inherited a recession due to the Dot Com Bust which every one knows, and there was 9/11 - you do remember that? We're lucky that we've come through these things with the largest growth the country has seen in 20 years. Thanks to GWB and his tax cuts. I don't like deficits either, but as the economy grows it will come down. I've been around quite a long time and have seen large deficits before. If you own your own home and have a mortgage - guess what? You have a deficit. Don't you worry about me doing my part - it took me three years to pay off Clinton's retroactive tax cut (the first one ever). Remember, Clinton promised a middle class tax cut when there wasn't a war and look what happened - the largest tax increase ever. Bush's tax cut hardly made a dent into the increase I got under Clinton. If you think $200,000 a year is a lot of money where I live, on Long Island in a middle class area where school and county taxes are over $8,000 a year and much more for most home owners, than you are living in la la land. Not to mention our state is one of the highest taxed. Most Americans income from Jan. to May goes to pay taxes. That means that only from June to Dec. do you get to keep the money you earn. If you think this is fair, well, I can't even begin to explain to you why it's not. If you don't think you pay enough taxes you have the right to give your refund back to the US Treasury. In fact, on Mass. state tax forms they have an option to pay a higher rate of state tax by just checking a box on the form. Guess what? Kerry didn't check it. He paid the lower tax. So, don't tell me about fair share. He is such an elitist that when they stopped at Wendy's after the convention and had there little photo op, they had a gourmet lunch waiting for them on the bus while they pretended to love Wendy's. Give me a break.

As far as GWB being an idiot, what do you do? You see, this is your defense, bringing someone down to bring yourselves up. How pathetic.

You have to really be closed minded to believe everything you read on the internet by unsubstantiated authors. Read this article from Fortune magazine http://www.carlylegroup.net/thebigguys.htm

Don't you think that if your accusations about Bush and the Carlyle Group were true, the mainstream media (80% liberal dems) would have been all over this story like flies on dog poo??
Of course they would. Especially since there's so much nonsense about this on the internet. I'm sure there have been reporters looking into this since Bush came in office. You see, that's the criteria here, there's no blue dress and until you produce one, the fabrications go in one ear and out the other. The Dems have lost crediability with the likes of the Hollywood crowd and have to edit and twist and turn things to fit their agendas. Most clear thinking Americans will see through the hatred as a means to obtain power which is really what it's all about. In the end, it will only serve to diminish any legitimate argument that you may have. So much so, that people will wind up disregarding whatever you may say to promote your ideology. Most people know to believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see. More cash in people's pockets is something tangible that they can see, touch and feel. But, that's secondary to feeling safe and seeing a man of conviction in office who's dedicated to that conviction. I for one, don't give a crap about what Europe thinks either, especially France. If Bush was wrong about Iraq, it was the Congress' job to not give him the authorization for war. If the intelligence was wrong maybe Kerry should have not missed 38 meetings. Kerry is an oportunist, he will say whatever is expedient to win. Unfortunately for him, his senate record speaks for itself and his statements on Iraq which are on the congressional record belie his words now. There is no doubt about that, it's just fact.

Posted by: Suzanne Fasulo at August 4, 2004 01:30 PM

Yes it is President Bush. The hate-mongers are ruining our nation. Why do you Liberals hate President Bush so much? I can answer my own question...because he's strong, decisive, true to his beliefs, unwavering in his resolve to make our nation better and stronger and more prosperous and I think one of the strongest reasons the Liberals hate him is because he is a Christian. I can't believe the blindness when people look at Kerry. He makes me sick...he is nothing but a "wimp". I'd hate to think our Country would be under the leadership of someone like Kerry / Edwards.

Posted by: Loretta Adler at August 4, 2004 04:46 PM

I want the administrators of softvote.com to put a gag order on all the liberals in here, this nation is at war, and we cannot tolerate dissent. Whoopi Goldberg and Linda Ronstadt learned the hard way, they learned not to mess with Christians or republicans because we have all the power, we control the white house, congress, and the supreme court. Democrats are just jealous because they have no power, and they never will again, President Bush is leading in every poll taken such as the softvote poll, and there's nothing Michael Moore can do about it. The United States is a very conservative country, we will not tolerate any liberalism. The book of Exodus in the Holy Bible says, "Thou shalt not suffer a liberal to live".

Posted by: henryclay at August 4, 2004 04:50 PM

Suzanne, you are my hero, keep it up. I have no doubt that you will convince these dems. They are wrong, and whets great about it, you use facts to back it up, not just unfounded accusations. Thank you.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 4, 2004 05:24 PM

Just wanted to say great post Alice Blonskij.

No flip flops in the white house...

Posted by: Alan (AL) at August 4, 2004 07:19 PM

Suzanne,

It looks like I touched a nerve in you. That's good. It's funny how you mention that the information about the Carlyle Group is unsubstantiated. Just go to the Securities and exchange Commission which regulates securities and keeps track of who is investing in what, especially if it consists of foreign investments. It's all there in black and white, the entire Bush-Bin Laden link. In fact, George the first was tasked with the primary reponsibility at Carlyle with securing Saudi investments, due to his extensive ties there. This is the same firm that also employs John major, so it isn't just because he was a world leader.

Second, mainstream "journalists" are 80% Democratic. The only problem is the people who performed this poll included photographers, file clerks, researchers, secretaries and delivery men at the majopr networks. Anybody with half a brain would know how much that would skew the results of the poll, especially considering the fact that the onbly mainstream media interviewed were the NY Times, LA Times, ABC, NBC and CBS where the clerks and deliverymen are more likely to be union members and hence more likely to be Democrats.

About the media, let's talk about who actually makes the decision on what is covered. There is no debate about Fox, but what about ABC, CBS, etc. ABC is owned by Disney. Disney is a major contributor not to the Bush campaign but also to his brother in Florida who extended some serious economic subsidies to the company for its operations there. CBS? Owned by Viacom. They do donate to democrats, but outsepnd those contributions by a factor of 9 to 1 in their financial support of Republican candidates. NBC? Let's see. You have General Electric. Do you know who jack Welsch is? If not, look it up. On election day in 2000 he asked a reporter in the newsroom how much he could pay him if he announced that Bush was the victor. He also is a major contributor to republican causes.

Let's see. the libs you talk about on tv? Yeah you must mean Margaret Carlson (Tucker's mom) or maybe you mean Mike Kinsley who isn't even a liberal. You see they send these right wing wackos in to debate these moderates and then paint the moderates as liberals. The moderates try to claim they're not liberal while the right wingers bash them every time they say something that sounds liberal. It's a big shell game. Oh yes, and who do you think owns all the local newspapers around the country? 90 percent are family owned and trust me, they've got lots of cash and they sure as hell don't want to give up their big upper class tax breaks because of some liberal politician.

Trust me. I know about taxes. I live in Arlington, VA where the average price of a home is close to Long Island's. And you know what? That little shell game you call a tax break isn't a tax break at all. You see, when Bush goes to war, cuts taxes for people over 200k the money that goes to the states dries up. Guess what happens? That's right they go into a budget crisis and then there go your property taxes through the roof. And guess what else happens? Those first responders like those firefighters and cops - they wind up being the first to get laid off. You should know. 400 of them got laid off in NYC. So I guess, if you don't care about your country and love mass slaughter, keep supporting Bush - because maybe next timne there's an attack, there may not be anyone left to help save you.

Keep trying to debate me, Suzanne. I'm actually having fun deconstructing every one of your arguments.

Posted by: Paul at August 4, 2004 07:24 PM

Some facts...

Louis says Bush is creating jobs that pay less than ones lost. B***! You cannot cite any statistic that bears that out. In fact this is the first recovery in modern history where wages are growing faster than inflation.

Actually, wages are growing at 2.5 percent while inflation is at 3.5%.

A college student in NC was hauled in after FBI agents visited him about "questionable" material - he had an anti-NRA poster.

A Texas art gallery owner was hauled away for posting paintings that included images of war footage from Iraq.

A man in Oakland, CA got a visit after saying that Bush is the biggest criminal in the world.

A nominee from the Bush Admin. was questioned about why he wrote an article criticizing Bush's policies in Texas.

Do you want more?

The forgotten hunt for Bin Laden. We have 140,000 troops in Iraq pacifying a nation of 25,000,000 people but 20,000 men in Afghanistan looking for one man.

It's more than one man. It is an entire network that hides out there, fool.

High paying jobs? Are you kidding? 60% of the jobs were acquired by promising lower wages to employers in high wage states. The education system is in the bottom 5 in the nation. The man was re-elected with 70% support because of name recognition (it helps when your Dad is the only living President from Texas) and because it's a Republican state. Heavy investment from oil companies can help too, especially when you want to get those ads out in a hurry.

You got any more points or do you want to stop?

Posted by: Paul at August 4, 2004 08:48 PM

I have one thing to say to George Bush and his administration. SHOVE IT! :-)

Posted by: d. jones at August 4, 2004 10:29 PM

GW Jr. is by far the worst president in over 100 years. I still have visions of his visit to Turkey and the numerous amount of demonstrators yelling at him, and GW in all his arrogance continued right past them as if they didn't exist. That is the same way he treats the middle calls and minority people of his own country. I haven't read a good reason yet, why this DWI drunk President should remain in office. I am a native Texan, and to be honest most people here are to dumb (one of the lowest sat scores in the country) to realize what Bush is all about. It's the Rich Oil, Real Estate, Investment Bankers and Cattle barrons that love him so much. I wonder why??? Bush has never worked to earn a paycheck in his life. (he owned the Texas Rangers) What a great job!!! He has never fought in any wars except his occassional druken saloon battles at the local bar in Crawford. Ha ha. I am sorry all Bush lovers he has constantly lied and cheated the American people several times to include a war that killed 1,000 Americans. If you love him so then support his effort in Iraq. Don't don't sit at your PC's and tell me how great you think this man is get off your butt and Volunteer; if for only 4 moths as you claim Kerry did and go over there and fight (you may even find those darn weapons of mass destruction) or even better... Cheny's Halliburton i've heard on local Texas TV is offering a million per year contract to drive oil rigs in Iraq. It's a great opportunity if you live to spend it. Hey I encourage all BUSH/CHENY supporters to go for it!!!

Vote

KERRY/EDWARDS

VOTE KERRY/EDWARDS

Posted by: d. jones at August 4, 2004 11:20 PM

To d. jones:

What's you address, I live in Texas, I like to visit you and show you how stupid I am. Why don't you go up to New York, where you can live with your liberal friends. If you think Texas is so bad, then get out. You have made me so angry, I want to cuss. You dumb A**H***. Please tell me you address, please.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 5, 2004 11:05 AM

Boy, you have to love the rhetoric that gets thrown around. Bush is only for big business, the oil blah, blah, blah. Does anyone realize that Kerry is married to a Heinz ? Uh, last time I checked, that family isn't running a mom and pop store on the corner. There has been so many double standards given by Democrats it is sickening. Kerry supposedly is a great person because of his military record, since when do Democrats care about a military record? Clinton flew the coop in order to dodge the draft, but that is supposed to be ok?!?!
Bush supposedly should have done more to avoid 9/11 and lied to everyone in order to go to war. Ok, let's look at the facts. First off, Bush was in office for less than a year before 9/11. EVERYONE was shocked by what happened, but maybe if Clinton had left the number of CIA agents in the Middle East alone maybe we would have been better prepared. Clinton took CIA coverage in that area from a few dozen down to 8. How in the world did he expect to keep us safe with those numbers? 8 people wouldn't be able to cover a medium sized city let alone an entire global region. And you want to say Bush lied about WMD's to push us into war? He acted on information that was given to him, there was a report given by members on both sides that stated that the information that was given to Bush was flawed and outdated. Do you think that maybe having so few people collecting data might play a role in that problem? No one can say that they would have done a better job than Bush and actually be truthfull to the American people or themselves for that matter.
Not since Pearl Harbor have we suffered an attack of that magnitude, never has it been more evident that we as Americans are hated and are targets of terrorism. Bush has stepped up and been a constant voice to the world, letting everyone know that we will not lay down, we will not give in, and if you threaten the US, we will take you down with whatever force is needed. Bush has done all of this with steadfast resolve, and whether you want to admit it or not, he did a good job. Anyone can Monday morning quarterback the way things have been handled, but I'm sure there isn't a pocketbook guide on how to be the best President after a terrorist attack.
The way I see it, Democrats are running out of reasons to get Bush out of the White House. The economy has been on the rise, manufacturing has seen an increase of 14 months, Sadaam Hussien is in custody, and even people who support Kerry say they think Bush is better suited to handle terrorism.
I'm not saying Bush is without flaws, but in all fairness, he has been and continues to be what is good for this country. God Bless the USA and God Bless President Bush!!

Posted by: Chad at August 5, 2004 11:15 AM

To Susanne Fasulo:

What were your Sat scores? Could be that your low Sat scores be the reason for your stupidity? You're unable to spell, use correct punctuation and your grammar is HORRIBLE! I guess I'm supposed to changed my mind and vote for Kerry just because an uneducated person tells me to. Too Funny! Hmmm, Turkey protesting President Bush...I wonder what they have to lose? I'm thinking that since Russia, Germany and France all had interest in Iraq and dealings with Saddam that maybe, just maybe Turkey did too? Ahhh, to be in the ignorant left. Let me tell you a little story...I was just in San Francisco for the first time. Beautiful buildings, interesting tourist points but everyone knows that this is a very liberal city. I wouldn't take my children there EVER! The evident homosexual activity, the homelessness and fear of being attacked and this is what our country has to look forward to if we allow the left to run our country? YUCK! This city looks like Tijuana Mexico with their cheap hole in the wall stores. Human fecal matter in between cars (I don't believe animals use tissue). A beautiful historic city ruined by liberalism. I consider homosexuals having a disability. We all know that 2 men or 2 women weren't meant to be a couple. It's obivous in the animal kingdom. Male, Female. No arguments. I believe that is a birth defect but as it's being accomodated by the liberals, the children are being pressured to kiss same sex or pretend it's okay. It's unacceptable.

DWI President. That happened when he was young. What did you do when you were young? At least President Bush isn't molesting interns.

So tell me you seem angry that President Bush didn't have to work (as you say) then why aren't you angry that John Kerry is wealthy (married to money). Ask yourself this and please take the time to ask John Kerry this. Why doesn't he bring the Heinz corporation back to America? Why is it that John Kerry, with as much money as his household earns paid less taxes than President Bush? Something is rotten in Denmark!

War:
Let's see, we were attacked 9 months into President Bush's term. Over 3000 lives were lost. I guess he did get the war approved by congress to go to Afganistan and Iraq. Would you have preferred that he did nothing? Then what do you think everyone in our Country would say about him then? I can just hear it. Hmmm, I guess he can't win with the liberal mentality in any case.

The way he treats minorities and middle class:
I guess you didn't realize that he has 2 minorities in his cabinet. (first time ever) Very intelligent people who do their job well. But, hey, they are not "true" blacks according to the liberals. I guess you also didn't know that President Bush has Hispanic relatives...but hey, why not be a closed minded liberal once again. Blah...you flower people amaze me.

Worst president in 100 years:
I don't know, I have only lived through 44 years of presidents. The worst have been 8 years of President Clinton showing our children it's okay to cheat on your wife. It's okay to molest interns. Not to have morals. Take from the rich and give to the poor.

One more thing, why did John Kerry exploit the Vietnam soldiers picture? Oh yes, for his election. Little did he realize that they would come forward and tell the truth. (2 injuries he received a purple heart for were self inflicted).

Posted by: Alice Blonskij at August 5, 2004 11:57 AM

Hmmmm....

It seems as if the "polls" are beginning to show how "polarized" the USA really is. And that is frightening. But I have to ask...which party is doing the "polarizing" and which party is trying to "stick to the issues." As a registered democrat, I am forced (and ashamed) to admit it is the democratic party. Like Zell Miller of Georgia, I must say that, "I have not left the democratic party, they have left me!" Count this democrat for George Bush.

I must say that domestically, it is NOT the economy that needs changing, it is the education system. Our schools are turning out "educated idiots" by the thousands...kids that cannot NAME the capitol of the state they are living in, let alone SPELL it! Those who seek higher education become even bigger idiots. They get degrees from liberal colleges and universities whose number one agenda is the "brainwash" and "create ideologues" who have no idea what they have majored in!

Secondly...the war on terrorism needs to be fought like we fought in WWII. We (the American Public) need to ignore the media coverage, resign ourselves to the fact that people are going to die on both sides of this war, and let the military do its job. And for those of you who are complaining about the number of people who have died...did you forget that we have an "all volunteer service?" Nobody FORCED them to join the military. And for Mr. Michael Moore...I watched your insanity on Bill O'Reilly. I will answer the question you asked Bill O'Reilly...are you paying attention?

You asked Bill O'Reilly if "he would send his child to Iraq?" If you were BRAVE enough to ask me that question, I would answer it like this...

No...I would not SEND him to Iraq. But IF any of my sons (and I have FOUR) were to volunteer to go to Iraq as a member of the military, I would support THEIR decision 100 percent. Additionally, I would probably go with them--and YES, I can do that!

If the same standards that are being applied to Afghanistan and Iraq were applied to our commanders in WWII, then 100 percent of them, including the US President, would have been tried for war crimes. Life in a war zone is simple. If you are told to get out, then get out. If you don't get out and you become a target, then you will DIE. And UNFORTUNATELY there will be, from time to time, collateral damage. But that is the way war works. But the most important thing about war is this:

Would you rather the war be fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, or would you rather it be fought in New York and California? If you let Kerry into the Whitehouse, the latter is more likely than if you keep Bush there. Nuff said?

Cheers, BroJim

Posted by: Jim at August 5, 2004 12:34 PM

Alice, I think I love you. Keep it up, you make me proud to be an american. I agree with everything you say. If I wasn't married, I look you up.lol

Posted by: David Lowery at August 5, 2004 01:38 PM

To D. Lowrey. . .

How about I give you my address? Though it wasn't directed at me but at your fellow Texan, The last conservative who threatened me wound up lying in a gutter with a broken nose. God knows I would do worst to you if I ever saw you at my house.

Pal, you talk about terror but then go and threaten to go to people's houses and do what? Terrorize them? Sounds like you're a Klanner to me.

Posted by: Paul Pimentel at August 5, 2004 03:29 PM

WHAT A SERIOUS IDIOT

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

George W. Bush 8/5/2004

- No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.

Posted by: Paul at August 5, 2004 07:31 PM

Comments and threats like that posted by Mr. Pimentel above explain clearly why President Bush will be reelected by a substantial margin this year. Democrats simply offer nothing but threats and name calling.

Paul, please remember the only known Klansman (not "Klanner") serving in Washington is a Democrat.

Posted by: Michael P. Borgia at August 5, 2004 10:15 PM

Bush is the man for the next 4 years!!!! Bush is here to stay and you Dems can't stand it.

Posted by: Lori at August 5, 2004 11:48 PM

Just like a Conservative, this man wants to come to my home in Texas and attack me. I would do something really bad to you. Texas is a State the beleives in bearing arms. Can't you people see this is the same type of southern nut that led us to war. He threatened me on a chat channel!! I am not leaving my Texas home, because I have always fought people like you. As I stated earlier if you Bush/Cheny supporters want to fight so bad the join the service and go to Iraq! Don't sit at your PC and tell me how great you think GW Jr. I can't even bring myself to call him President, because its very possible that my vote in Texas didn't count. They are probably tampering with the machines here as they did in Florida, and I am asking my conservative congressmen for poll watchers. I read a report that a new flaw in the voting machines in Florida are being found every day. As for Ms. know-it-all, my SAT scores were high enough for me to attend college and receive a degree and several IS certifications including MCP, MCSE, CCNA, and Recording Engineering. You now nothing about me and my strugle in Texas over the past 42 years so you can simply SHOVE IT!! GW JR never won the election. He was appointed to office by a few Right Wing Conservatives on the Supreme court by a 5 to 4 count. While the decision was being read they quietly hid in their chambers afraid to stick their head out because they know they were wrong!
Just like GW Jr. a bunch of Cowards!!! After Bush learned of the 911 disaster he jumped in Air Force One flew around for some time then headed for Arizona. He also fabricated a lie about Air Force One being threatened to excuse himself for looking like the Coward he really is.
He was afraid to attend his own daughters Graduations. A Coward! He has this terrible Deer-Hit-By-A Truck stare when is caught in one of his many of lies.

Take America Back!!! We are winning at the polls, so lets continue.

Vote

KERRY/EDWARDS

Posted by: d. jones at August 6, 2004 12:01 AM

John Kerry is a Satanic fraud! God wants no part of him or his unholy disciple John Edwards. I get down on my knees two or three times a day and thank God for President Bush and the Christian men who control the republican party. Last night, as I lay awake in bed, pondering why Almighty God would not allow me to sleep, the thought occured to me that President Bush's reputation was being bashed on Satan's evil internet. I got out of bed, put on my robe and slippers, and turned on my devil box, where my worst fears were proven correct. The democrats will give Osama Bin Laden a full pardon for the September 11 terrorist attack, they will give this country away to the terrorists. We can't allow that to happen. The liberal atheists are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to capture the White House, well the loyal Americans in this great country will not allow that to happen.

Posted by: henryclay at August 6, 2004 03:19 AM

Gee Paul, I really wish that we all could be like you and never mis-speak. GWB gets emotional when giving speeches and I realize that is most likely hard to comprehend; however, when compared to the walking botox stick, I'm going with GW.

Posted by: Toni at August 6, 2004 05:35 AM

To: Paul Pimentel,

No I'm not in the Klan, if I were I would be one dumb "Klanner" as you say. See I'm married to a wonderfull woman from Mexico. Did I threaten that person? No what I said is I would show them how dumb I was, yes I was angry, not about that persons comments about bush, it was the comments about Texas, and how stupid we are here. Please there was no terroistic threats, now on the other hand, you threatened me with bodily harm. Who is the terroist now Paul? I really don't like violence, I happen to be a big guy, and the times I have been in fights,(not by my choice, I had to defend myself and I was in high school.) I have hurt people, I don't like to do that, it really bothers me. But like the president, I will attack, when provoked. That is something you liberals don't understand, we did not start this. We were attacked on September 11, 2001. We are only defending ourselves. Again, I do not like to fight, but I will if I have too.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 09:01 AM

Thank you Michael P. Borgia, as you can read the post I just made, I pointed out to Mr. Pimentel that I am not a "Klanner". I love all the people of this world, yes even the terroist, they are misguided by leaders. I will not say they are misguided by their religion, because their religion is not to fault, the blame for this lays squarly on the sholders of their leaders.
I also pointed out that I did not treat that person, although he did threaten me. So much for peace and love huh...

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 09:08 AM

Elected by a substantial majority? Where in Texas? Mississippi? Where do you get your news from?

For too long I have heard conservatives attempt to bully and intimidate people with threats, etc. Finally, myself-along with many others are fighting back.

I doubt David Lowery has the manhood to back up his threats against the other poster and am highlighting it by inviting him over.

It's up to him whether he accepts the invite.

Posted by: Paul Pimentel at August 6, 2004 10:43 AM

Paul Pimentel:

Do you trouble reading? Did you not read my last post? I said I do not like violence. I do not wish to fight anyone, I did not threaten anyone, you are the one who has threatened me, and now you have insulted my manhood. Who are you? Do you know me? You make accusations that you can't back up, just like most democrats. Please, don't do that, it only makes you look like a thug. Again I do not wish to fight anyone, I don't like violence. Apparently you do! If you attack me, I will fight back, but I will not start it.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 12:52 PM

Texas is my home, and I love this State, but let�s face the facts. Texas is so very proud to have a local resident become President that several State highway�s, etc. are named after George Bush. GW JR capitalized on that in the 2000 vote and having a brother as Governor of Florida didn�t hurt him at all, whatever may have happened there. I love Texas and I love America and the American Dream is well worth preserving. We are all in the same boat and now fear where the next attack on U.S. soil will occur. Let�s not forget our current situation, the very poor economy, the very poor health care system, the American soldiers dying in Iraq, and most of all the family�s that suffered a loss due to the 911 tragedy. All of these horrible events are a direct result of poor decisions made by the current GW JR Right Wing Conservative Administration. The Republican Party was desperate for a candidate to win, and well, they couldn�t find another Ronald Reagan so this is what they gave us. It�s very difficult for me to ask my neighborhood youth of Texas to cast a vote when they have been saying for years that �My Vote Doesn�t Count� and �They Will Put Whomever They Want In Office, As President Of The United States�, when I first learned this to be true it left me in complete shock realizing that this man was taking the oath of office as U.S. President that he honestly didn�t win. A man of substance and honor would want a fair and complete vote, and one who wanted to cheat would rush to the office and began political destruction to pay off all who helped him cheat to win that office. That is exactly what GW JR did. The Presidential salary doesn�t pay much, but the benefits can amount to billions of dollars for whatever special interest the President may have. My plea is to take America back, and give our hard working citizens the Administration we want in a fair and complete election. It�s our choice, not that of the U.S. Supreme Court. I honestly feel the majority of American citizens know what�s best for our country, and if every provoked by any outside source foreign or domestic, we have the duty and right to defend our way of life. Leave the U.S. Constitution alone. It has served well for over 200 years with very few amendments. The Conservative are fighting among their party members at this point. All you need to do is pick up a newspaper, watch the television news or look at a news website. We don�t want a divided America. We have come too far as a nation for that. We don�t want our jobs moved to foreign nations. We don�t want our military stretched so thin that our American homes are in danger. We want to be able to see our Doctor of choice when we need to. We want to be able to shake hands with our new neighbors of any race, creed, color or religious background knowing they went through the same struggle that all Americans did to work, save, and buy a new home and decent car.

Take America Back! Vote Kerry/Edwards

Posted by: d. jones at August 6, 2004 01:06 PM

To d.jones:

I am so very sorry if you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I do not wish to harm you in anyway. I would love to debate you on how stupid you think Texans are. You can be proud of your degrees and certification, (although I doubt you can use them very much in Texas) I was in IT as well, now I do something else because Clinton let a lot of tech jobs go overseas. President G.W. Bush was elected to the office of president. He did not win a majority vote because the left coast and the NE voted for Gore (who did not win the EC). Please get over the fact that Gore did not win, the Supreme Court did not give the election to anyone, the recount in Florida proved that President Bush won, and that�s all. I'm sorry you hate the President that much to insult your own state, but unfortunately for you Texas is a Republican state. Again I don't wish to harm you in anyway, I worded my statement in a bad way, I would only wish to show you that people who live in Texas are not stupid, (well some are, can't give a blanket statement like that.)

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 01:09 PM

This my original posting to d.jones:
To d. jones:

As anyone can see, I did not threaten d., and yes, I used a cuss word, for that I am sorry, I was angry because d. called me and everyone else in the state of Texas, including d., stupid. Now after I did this, I have been threatened by two people on the DB. Go figure, I'm the terrorist?

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 01:20 PM

To David Lowery

David, you can't blame me for the Texas low SAT scores. That happens to be the truth. As a matter of fact all of the Bush strong hold States are included in the Nations lowest SAT scores, while those solid Kerry States boast the highest. Try blamming the Bush "leave no child behind act" That denies government funding for schools that don't meet his ideals of higher education. It is causing our Teachers to assist their students in cheating to pass exams leaving a dumb child passing.

Posted by: d. jones at August 6, 2004 01:21 PM

To d.jones,

I do not wish to sound prejudice, I have already been branded as a "klanner", but most uneducated people are democrats, plain and simple. The reason for this is because that if you don't have a good education, then you are more then likely poor, and the poor think that the democrats wish to help them. The truth is that the dems don't wish to help them, they wish to control them. The dems want to give them everything they need to live, instead of giving them a chance to get a good education and earn what they need to live by themselves. Do you really believe that one president is to blame for the way the school systems are in this country; if you do then I have some ocean front property in Dallas I would love to sell you. Come on, our education crisis is to blame for years of liberal ideas. You have to admit that most educators are democrats and liberal that try and brainwash our kids. It almost happened to me, but my parents would not let it happen, they taught me how to be proud of my country, to live up to a value system, to take responsibility for my own actions. I am now teaching the same value system to my daughters. If you really want to get down to it, you can blame the liberals for the loss of the American family. If you are a single mom, I feel for you. You have to raise your children with no father in their life; this can lead to many a problem for you and your children. Increased drop out rate, drug use, violence. Please don't blame our President for the failings of this liberal system; he is only trying to fix what they have broken.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 02:00 PM

To: David Lowery

David, you just contradicted yourself.

"that most educators are democrats and liberal that try and brainwash our kids"

You have to have a certain amount of college hours or high level certifications to become any type of teacher. You can't be a dumb democrat and teach in our learning institutions.

I am not pointing the blame for any of the current problems on any past administrations. I am very dissatisfied with this one. The polling machines in Florida were tampered with. This is now a fact. I am sure if you use a simple search engine you will discover this for yourself. I didn't list my certifications to impress anyone, I don't have to. I earned my current way of life the hard way, I worked for it. Nothing will excuse what the current Bush Administration has done to this country. I see it everywhere I go in Texas. I have a relative that is a Texas U.S. State Attorney and much to my suprise he doesn't like what's going on in our country nor the direction American is taking. In other words, rich, poor, middle class, white, black, hispanic, straight, gay, men, women and even the growing homeless not to mention Ronald Reagan Jr. and his mother Nancy Reagan, are not happy with the way America is headed. We must have a change or we will have more problems than you could ever imagine. The GW JR Administration has lied and failed the American people. We have the right and duty to oust him.

Vote

KERRY/EDWARDS

Posted by: d. jones at August 6, 2004 04:51 PM

d. jones,

Please, did I say that all democrats are dumb? No I did not, what I said was most uneducated people are dems. I guess I will have to explain to you. Meaning that most poor (look at my previous post on this subject) are democrats, not that all democrats are poor, how many certificates do you have? I think I made myself clear on that point. So as you can see, I know there are low, middle, and upper class democrats, just like there are low, middle and upper class republicans. Please don't twist my words to serve your ideas.

Please tell me where you got your facts from so I can investigate the tampering myself. I have not heard one thing from the media about this, and you know that if it truly happened it would be all over the news.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 6, 2004 05:57 PM

http://www.votewatch2004.org/

To: David Lowery

Again you misinterpeted what I said, but I am not going to repeat myself. Check this out in the news headlines. To make this very plain and simple. These are sepeate headlines in the news today. Looks like my pleas to congressmen are being listened for once in Texas. Watch your Republican State Closely.

Future of Texas schools at stake

Austin Chronicle - Austin,TX,USA
E-Voting in the Hot Box
BY LEE NICHOLS

The assembled activists and elected officials (including state Reps. Eddie Rodriguez and Lon Burnam and Austin Mayor Pro Tem Jackie Goodman) called on Texas Secretary of State Geoffrey S. Connor to require that all electronic voting systems print out a paper version of a cast ballot that can be verified by the voter before being deposited into a ballot box.

Vote:

KERRY/EDWARDS

Posted by: d. jones at August 6, 2004 06:31 PM

Don't read the long comment I'm posting below, if you are a Kerry fan. If your are a Bush fan, its ok to read it.

Posted by: William Keys at August 6, 2004 09:45 PM

This is just one Part of my comment.

Has evil always been in the World? Even the most casual observer of history will, if ask, has evil always been with us, will answer yes.

Posted by: William Keys at August 6, 2004 09:52 PM

This is another very small part of my comment.

To get some idea of this hatred, you have only to visualize, with horror,

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:03 PM

If you believe in GOD, I think you will like my comment.

If you don't believe in GOD don't bother.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:04 PM

I have read through the posts and have to comment. My husband is military. He has been in almost 14 years. During Clintons years the military took "paycuts" every year-the pay raises were always less then inflation. (except re-election year when the pay raises met inflation) The morale was low and many people served their time and got out. Since Bush went in The morale is up, the pay is up and retention is up. So much that they may even offer early retirements!! The military is proud to serve under someone who respects them and is proud to lead them. Even if it is to war. (which is what the military is trained for!)

Clinton hated the military. Kerry hates the military (neither of them would admit it though!) Their actions speak louder then their words. Clinton, who was signed up for ROTC bailed and went overseas. He knew he needed some type of military service for a political career. Kerry, served in Vietnam for 4 months. He read up on how many medals he had to get to get out of combat and did just that. He wanted a political career too. Do you see what we would get from Kerry? The military means nothing to him. He doesn't respect the power that we have as a nation. He is just power hungry himself. We CAN'T have that in the white house again. We can't jeopardize our nation and the future of it with a military hater!!!

Bush has moral's, values, integrity. HE DID NOT LIE ABOUT WMD'S!!!! It has been proven that Wilson lied about the trip to Africa. The Iraqi's were trying to buy yellow cake. Every liberal over looks that. I believe that there will be WMD'S found at some point. Even the UN believed that Sadaam had WMD'S. So just admit that it was the intel. that told the Pres. that.

Bush is the man for the job. He may not be eloquent in his speaking but that's ok. He stands up for what he believes and sticks with it. He knews a hell of alot more then we do about what goes on every day in this nation and the world. He is privvy to info that we are not.
Isn't it scary to you libs that other nations like France and Canada (wimps) want Kerry in there? We don't need them. What kind of backing can they give us? They want a push over that they can walk on. Who's ego they can stroke. Bush doesn't take that c***. He sees them for who they truly are. Cowards.

It is sad to see that people have forgotten 9/11. We, as Americans, stood together and stood up for this Country. We backed the President and supported the Patriot Act to PROTECT us. We supported Afghanistan and Iraq. We supported the military and their efforts. Now 3 years later, the taste for power has overtaken the Democrats, and they will go against everything the President does just because they can. It doesn't matter to them if they compromise national security. Did Clinton think about national security when he lost the nuclear codes and never found them? (This was during the time that the Lewinsky affair came out!) Did Kerry think about what it did to the military when he protested Vietnam?
Now finally to the mention of Bush and his "drugs". Clinton did drugs, right? He never inhaled though (yeah right!) Why is it ok for him to have experimented and not Bush? See, the difference is this- Bush went through that stage of life, realized that was not the way to live and straightened himself up!! He found religon and continues with that today! Clinton did his experimenting and bragged about it and thought it was cool. He told the MTV crowds about it as he played his sax. He has never realized that it was wrong. I am sure that Kerry has a past too. Wasn't that the culture back then? Especially the anti-war culture. ( I don't know-I was born in '71!)

As much as the left doesn't want to hear it or think it-remember 9/11. Remember how we all put our flags out and were proud to be American!! Let us continue that!! Bush needs to carry out his war on Terror- he is the man to do it!!
BTW-Gore did wim the popular vote but that is not how elections are won! It is called the electoral college. Kennedy didn't win the popular vote either! He won the electoral college. Don't hear any whining about that!!!

Posted by: Teresa G at August 6, 2004 10:04 PM

It is a long comment. I got started and just couldn't stop.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:08 PM

Here is another very small part of my comment.

Amazingly the Islamic Fundamentalist believes in the same God that the West believes in.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:11 PM

Yet another very small part of my comment.

Picture this if you will. There are three on the field of battle.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:14 PM

By the way, I never mention Kerry's name, or Bush's name in my comment.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:19 PM

After this I will post my comment.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:54 PM

I have read many comments on many web sites, on the merits, of the war on terrorism, and have come to the conclusion, both sides are missing the real point, the world wide point. The world (not just the US, not just Europe, not just Asia, not just South, or North America) is in a struggle against EVIL.

Has evil always been in the World? Even the most casual observer of history will, if ask, has evil always been with us, will answer yes.

One particular evil we face, as a Country, is the evil of Islamic Fundamentalism. This EVIL has many names, many forms and different ideologies, but these many names, forms, and ideologies have important things in common. They all have a hatred of freedom, they all hate western secularism, they all hate western religion, and they are all evil. To the Islamic fundamentalist, Al-Qaeda, The army of God, or whatever name they use, the West is hated, with a hatred that is beyond the comprehension of most of us, in the West.

THEY DON'T HATE US FOR WHAT WE DO, THEY HATE US FOR WHAT WE ARE.

To get some idea of this hatred, you have only to visualize, with horror, the planes, loaded with jet fuel, being flown into buildings, whose only purpose was to kill as many people as possible. To you and I they were innocent victims, but to the Islamic fundamentalist they were the hated enemy of their religion and deserved to be eliminated. Their only remorse was, why couldn't it have been more?

Amazingly the Islamic Fundamentalist believes in the same God that the West believes in. Their Prophet, Mohammad, takes the place of Jesus in their Islamic Religion, but their GOD is the same GOD we, as Christians, worship.

The Islamic Fundamentalist has taken their Religion to the ultimate extreme. They believe the killing of innocent people, to further their Religion, is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of GOD. That is why they can be heard, in the background, calling out GOD's name as they beheaded Nicklaus Birg.

In our Bible, John 16: 2 Jesus, is talking to his disciples, and HE says: They will put you out of the synagogue. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to GOD. Such extreme twisted thinking has turned into pure hatred, for anyone who does not believe, as they do.

With such hatred can there be negotiations?

With such hatred can there be appeasement?

With such hatred can you sit and wait?

With such hatred can there be any limits, to their actions?

To any rational person, the answer, to these questions, is a resounding no. Even in some quarters of the moderate Islamic world, terrorists actions, by there fellow Muslims, are viewed with contempt.

Because these terrorist have no country to lose, they can roam the world, killing and destroying where ever the opportunity presents itself, and most fearful of all, with what ever weapon they have at their disposal.

Make no mistake about it, if they had had an atom bomb, they would have gleefully used it. We on the other hand, cannot use an atomic bomb just to kill a few terrorists located among the general population. The same is true for Biological warfare, or any other weapon of mass destruction ( WMDs if you will). They can use them, with malice, and we cannot, for humane reasons.

Against such a foe an old saying comes to mind kill or be killed.

No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by grousing about the price of a gallon of gasoline. No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by grousing about how evil Haliburton is. No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by grousing about how much the war on terror cost. No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by saying the President is sending our boys over seas to die, which is a false premiss, since we have an all volunteer service. No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by propagating the lie that Saddam Husain was not trying to get yellow cake, from an African Country, for the purpose of building an atomic bomb. To sum it up No gain against this determined enemy can be accomplished by arguing among ourselves. To the contrary, it plays into the hands of our enemies, as they smile with joy, while plotting their next horrific act.

Picture this if you will. There are three on the field of battle. Two on one side and only one on the other. The two are arguing with each other over whether to fight while the third is charging the two with raised blade, and murderous intent. In this instance the two have only seconds to make up their minds, or they are dead. Thankfully, or better stated hopefully, we have more time.

Unfortunately time is on the side of the terrorists. If we wait too long, the raised blade will surely become a doomsday bomb, a vile of germs dipped into our water supply, or an anthrax letter sent to millions disguised as a sweepstakes offer. With such an ominous occurrence, the willing as well as the unwilling will die, along with their wives and children.

Ladies and gentlemen Osma bin Laden, and many like him, long for such a day.

Unfortunately we are in a presidential campaign and politics has raised its ugly head. The opposition is using the war on terror as a political football. The war is unnecessary, we were misled about weapons of mass destruction, Its all about oil and the Presidents oil buddies, are all slogans the opposition is using to stir up unrest among a large segment of our population.

More pointedly, this unrest is a disguise to cover their true feelings of hatred, for the President. Many, in the opposition, who are otherwise good people, would use almost any method to get rid of the President. They simply have an abiding hatred of the man.

Most of the opposition could care less who their presidential candidate is, as long as he beats the president. Therefor, when they vote this Nov. they will not be voting for their candidate as much as they will be voting against the President.

Hatred is a poor reason for voting, for or against anything. It blinds the voter's reasoning power, and makes him adopt proposals he otherwise would never think about adopting, if the hatred were not there.

Hatred is a form of evil unto itself. Certainly no virtue can be ascribed to it. Then we must ask ourselves where does this evil come from? For non-Christians, as well as Christians, of whom I'm proud to be part of the second group, evil can only come from one place----Satan, and today he is walking broad across our great land.

There are many who would remove all vestiges of GOD from this United States. Masses are in the service of evil, Satan, and large numbers, in this group, are unaware of their service, to him. They would be incensed, if you suggested such a thing, and yet they plod on, in their ignorance, and hatred.

There is a great struggle going on within our country, as well as, outside our country, which means we have two evils to fight.

Who are we to enlist, in the fight against, these two struggles?

Certainly not the instigators of this hate, and certainly not its blind followers. We also cannot depend on the ill informed, for they don't bring any passion to our cause.

We can depend on the nonbelievers who see through the opposition's misrepresentations, and out right lies, and though they are many they are not enough by themselves.

Therefore we must add ourselves/Christians, to the fight, against the two great evils, that face our Country. No one can fight an enemy he does not recognize. Because we, as Christians, not only see through the opposition's misrepresentations, and out right lies, but we see the real hidden purpose behind their cause---- the complete elimination of GOD from our Country's principles, Government, and schools.

I have been told that there are between 44 and 46 million Christians in our Country , and with such numbers we can exert a great force, for good, in this fight against the evil within, and the evil without. Of course the force I'm talking about is at the voting booth.

Unfortunately a force without action is impotent. In past elections, many Christians have not bothered to voted, and have woefully missed the chance to tell their elected leaders how they feel, about issues that are important to them .

I must tell you, the enemy/Satan is at work here. Inaction, of any kind, is one of his greatest weapons against good. We, as Christians, must not let Satan have his way. We must exert our great force, for good. We must go to the polls this Nov. and vote, to bring our Country back, from the precipice.

Posted by: William Bill Keys at August 6, 2004 10:59 PM

Dear Alice - I don't know what you are talking about. I think your post to me is a mistake. I am a Republican and never posted those things about Bush. Names are under the posts. I was addresssing Paul, and never mentioned Turkey. I'm a volunteer for the RNC and am on your side.

Posted by: Suzanne Fasulo at August 6, 2004 11:54 PM

Paul - You've got to be kidding - calling me a bigot shouldn't touch a nerve. You never even responded to that. Stereo-typing Republicans? You're denying that too! You're in denial.

I checked the SEC site, have you??? Did a thorough search. Came up with "0". You know, I invest with a company call Equitable Investments. Just so you understand how this works. They invest money from people like me from all over the world. They buy stocks, bonds and mutual funds, it's called a diversified portfolio. Unless I read the prospectus they send me quarterly, I have no idea what stocks they are buying and selling for me. For all I know, I could own shares in a company that the Bin Ladin family owns stock in too. So, what's your point here. Besides like I said, there's no one reporting this except left-wing extremists. I will reitereate, if there was anything to this story, the news media would be all over it.

You've got to be kidding that you don't think the main stream media isn't liberal. Michael Kinsley - the editor of Slate. I used to watch him on cross-fire all the time. He's so left he's almost a communist. Also, you information on Jack Welsh is outdated, he retired about two years ago. Disney, is more left than right. They have a Gay Day in Orlando. A sight to behold. They were one of the first companies to give Gays that live together medical coverage. I suppose you believe CNN isn't slanted left, and Ted Turner is a right-wing nut. CBS - Viacom - so liberal they neglected to mention they published Clark's book when they interviewed him. They are suppose to issue a disclaimer when they do that. Dan Rather - oh my God! Anyone who watches him report the news can see how biased he is. Margaret Carlson isn't liberal? Do you actually listen to her? I don't care if her son is on the right. Now, let's get to the newspapers, my God, they supported Bill Clinton through all, even when there was a Blue Dress. The NY Times, are you kidding, they bash Bush whenever they can. Do you ever read these papers? My own paper, Newsday, is so left I can't stand it. Most of the really rich, like Warren Buffet, support tax hikes. They don't give a c*** because they can shelter it. Like Teresa Heinz who only payed 16%. How the hell she did that, I still would like to know. If Kerry thinks that the rich should pay their fair share, why didn't he pay the higher tax rate in MA. Look at the Hollywood crowd that supports Kerry, they are all rich but I don't see any of them giving there refunds back. You can do that you know. It's the small business owners who are going to suffer under Kerry.

The loss that occurred in this state and others was not due to Bush's tax cut. The losses were all ready there because of 9/11 and the slowing economy at the end of Clinton's term. In fact, most states that had losses now have surpluses, they just don't lower the tax rate once they raise it. NY has recovered and some of the fire houses that were closed shortly after 9/11 have been re-opened. Property taxes on Long Island, and I've lived here for over 30 years, have always been the highest in the country and they never go down. Just recently there was a big scandal here with one of the local school districts. Seems that the administrators have spent over a million dollars on personal items. NYC has had numerous school board sandals too. The bulk of my taxes here are school taxes.

Mass slaughter took place on 9/11 and innocent men and woman were killed for what? I think you should read "The Prophet of Doom". I have, and it scared the hell out of me. You can read it right on line at: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html
The recent raid in Albany, NY prooves this author's point. Islam is not a religion of peace and they will destroy us all unless we wise up to this evil. They're laughing behind our backs at our stupidity. I do believe they will succeed because of people like you. Unfortunately, they have us over a barrel, and that barrel is their oil. Our economy cannot survive without it. Without oil, you couldn't even run your hairdryer, drive your car, have plastics, heat your home, etc., etc. If you take the time to stop and think how your life would be destroyed with the oil we get from the Arabs, you would be amazed at how we rely on it for everything, even food wouldn't get to the supermarkets. I do believe this is how they will destroy us. We are funding theses Islamic states by spending billions and billions on their oil. Too bad your party is more concerned about saving the owls in Alaska then drilling for our own oil to help reduce our dependency on our enemies. Maybe Kerry and the Kennedy families could help by selling some of their mansions, getting rid of their private jets, and SUV's. Oh wait, Kerry doesn't own a SUV - his family does.

You keep making Bush the enemy, that's your biggest mistake. How bad has your life gotten under Bush? Three years without an attack, that's the record. The economy means nothing if we're not safe. We have to make every effort to destroy this enemy at all costs because if we don't, then our country truly is doomed. I want my country to fight this evil. We must never repeat the history of WWII. Neville Chamberlain thought he had contained Hitler with a non-agression treaty, and look what happened. It gave him more time to build his army and over 50 million people were killed during that war. Over 400,000 thousand of our soldiers. How many lives would have been saved if there was a pre-emptive strike on Hitler. 50 million people - how can you morally justifiy not taking him out before he gained the strength to commit that holocaust. We have freed more than 1 billion people in this world and all we have ever asked of any country is for a place to bury our dead.

Go ahead, try and make your case again, you haven't deconstruced anything. In fact, you didn't address half of the justifications for voting for Bush. Our enemy is not going away, and Kerry is not the man for the job.

Posted by: Suzanne Fasulo at August 7, 2004 01:48 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, I am alarmed! I was reading a Newsweek article and it said that President Bush is trying to play both sides of the terrorism game. This article said that President Bush sent our troops to war in Iraq so that we wouldn't have to fight them here, but everyday President Bush tells us to expect another terrorist attack on American soil! Listen, this has gone to far, the liberal media obviously do not want President Bush to be re-elected, so why do they keep telling us that they are "impartial"?

Posted by: henryclay at August 7, 2004 02:12 AM

Just look at the facts. We are in the greatest economic boom. Unemployment is low,and the war on terror is being won by the coalition of the willing.

Posted by: dave sloan at August 8, 2004 07:52 AM

"Suppose that every day 10 men go to a restaurant for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If it was paid the way we pay our taxes, the first four men would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1; the sixth would pay $3; the seventh $7; the eighth $12; the ninth $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59."

The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." Now dinner for the 10 only costs $80. The first four are unaffected. They still eat for free. Can you figure out how to divvy up the $20 savings among the remaining six so that everyone gets his fair share? The men realize that $20 divided by 6 is $3.33, but if they subtract that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being paid to eat their meal.

The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same percentage, being sure to give each a break, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so now the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of $59.

Outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," complained the sixth man, pointing to the tenth, "and he got $7!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!"

"That's true," shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor."

Then, the nine men surrounded the tenth man (the richest one, paying the most) and beat him up. The next night the richest man didn't show up for dinner, so now the nine men sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They were $52 short!

"And that, boys, girls and college instructors, is how America's tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table any more. There are lots of good restaurants in Switzerland and the Caribbean."

Posted by: Alxandro at August 8, 2004 10:18 AM

You know, I don't know why any of you would make fun of the stupidity of the others on this posting list. From what I've been reading, very few of you are all that great at spelling or grammer!

Posted by: Dixie Burge at August 9, 2004 02:37 AM

Paul-this is is for you and for anyone else who is interested in why the audience didn't react.

The military is not supposed to react to comments about war. If any one has ever watched a state of the union you will notice that the generals do not clap for anything to do with the military- they are supposed to look totally bipartisan.

So Bush made a mistake in his words. That is all!!

WHAT A SERIOUS IDIOT

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

George W. Bush 8/5/2004

- No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.

Posted by: Teresa G at August 9, 2004 10:56 AM

d.jones:

That is a very good idea, if we are going to use electronic voting, then we need safeguards. Such as paper copy before we cast our vote. As far as the schools are concerned, the education system has been going downhill since the 60's, we are just know starting to fix the problems that the left did back then.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 9, 2004 11:07 AM

I find it amusing to hear the far left saying the same things over and over again, as if saying them numerous times makes them true or right. John Kerry is now having to battle his worst enemy - himself. He plays both sides of all issues, including abortion, which absolutely blows me away. I am a pro-choice conservative, and I find his explanation of his beliefs to be extremely insulting. Intelligent people see through his double talk. On the economy front, does anyone remember what happened on September 11, 2001? Nothing we OR President Bush can do in 3 years will fix what happened on that day. The economy was damaged beyond anything the United States has ever known (having terrorism on our own soil), and people now are acting like it never happened. Wake up! It CAN happen to us again. People are not facing the realities that we are truly facing these days. Times have changed. I may not agree with every single stand that George W. Bush takes, but I definitely know that when he says he's going to do something, he does it. Even Bill Clinton agrees. Wake up, America. It's time to take control of our country by voting for someone who actually has a belief system.

BUSH-CHENEY 2004!

Posted by: Sarah at August 9, 2004 06:56 PM

Bush Intelligent? HA! Well, the majority of American's don't think he is all that bright.

Four-in-five voters (83%) rate Kerry as intelligent. That characteristic defines perceptions of Kerry. A large majority of voters (63%) also rate Bush as intelligent. Bush is not considered lacking in the quality � Kerry is just associated with the quality in the minds of a much larger majority of voters.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2317&content=full

Vote: Kerry/Edwards

Posted by: Texans4Kerry at August 9, 2004 10:45 PM

All of you Bush supporters are disillusioned. I am a Republican but you, my fellow GOPers, ought to be ashamed of yourselves for putting party before country. Our beautiful country is certainly headed toward the trash bin if this guy gets a second term. LOL! Only 32,000 jobs created in July?! Bush's economic record is laughable. I am no Kerry supporter since I don't really like him but I will do anything to oust this poor excuse for a president from power. Unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy, an unnecessary war based on erroneous information, an inept foreign policy, huge deficits that have no end in sight, an overextended and weakened military that's forcing our troops whose 2-year minimum terms are up to go back to Iraq, ridiculous healthcare costs, secret meetings with corporate polluters like Enron, inaction on rising gasoline prices, America's ugly reputation in the world, erosion of our privacy and civil liberties because of the Patriot Act, financial cutbacks in education and social security, the exploitation of fear using terror alerts, poor job growth as well as poor job quality (Bush is first president since Hoover to finish one term with more job losses than gains, and most of them are low-wage jobs), and being the most divisive and polarizing president RECENTLY are more than enough reasons to make this Bush another one-termer JUST LIKE HIS DAD. DO NOT - I REPEAT - DO NOT REELECT HIM. At least one of these presidential candidates had the guts to serve in Vietnam while the other protected Texas from the VietCong Air Force (yeah right).

Posted by: Mike at August 10, 2004 01:19 AM

Yea, I remember what happened on 911. I also have a great fear that Osama Bin Laden is still at large. Do You? That is as current of a news story that I can think of.

Vote: Kerry/Edwards

Posted by: d. jones at August 10, 2004 03:43 AM

Tell me d. jones, what would Al Gore have done differently? Do you honestly think that any terrorist would be dead or captured? No they would be richer today because Al Gore would have paid them off. Each time they attack us, he would have given them money asking to be left alone, and they would have used that money to plan their next attack. We need a strong president, not a wishy washy president like Gore would have been, or Kerry if elected will be.

Posted by: David Lowery at August 10, 2004 01:27 PM

BUSH FOR EX-PRESIDENT in 2004!

Like father like son, just one term only.

Posted by: Howard Stern Fan at August 10, 2004 02:02 PM

George Dumbya Bush - "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

And I thought he quit drugs.

Bush/Cheney - Vote these guys out of office or "GO @#%* YOURSELF."

and go to:
http://www.diplomatsforchange.com/press/7-28-04.shtml

Posted by: None of Your Business at August 10, 2004 02:58 PM

Its funny how 12 months ago the Democratic Party didn’t have a clue who would fill there ticket for this election but all of a sudden the whole party has fallen behind Karry like a bunch of lost puppies. I would venture to say that most of you didn’t even know that he was alive until the primaries. I don’t know how you can put stock in a man that has the kind of record this guy has. I personally don’t want a President that can’t find time for his JOB.

Posted by: Follow the leader at August 10, 2004 04:23 PM

Why am I still seeing postings about Clinton and Gore, they have not been in office for close to 4 years. I am not defending them, I just wish everyone would let them retire in peace.

Posted by: d. jones at August 10, 2004 07:20 PM

HA! HA! HA!

To: None of your business

Those diplomats for change are all shills for the State Dept - the biggest bunch of lefties in the government. And you will base your vote for president on their word?

Posted by: Calamity Jane at August 10, 2004 10:22 PM

Bush's probably already got Bin Ladan and is waiting until his polls get low enough, where he knows he's not going to get re-elected, then he'll bring him out... He is just like his daddy, but his daddy only saw the oil in Iraq during the Gulf war back in 90-91, now our gas prices have gone up, then it trickles down a few cents, then jumps up by 10-15 cents... What is happening is Trickle-down Reagan-nomics... same as before, when GW jr pop was in office... Make the rich richer, keep the poor poorer... Not saying Kerry's the man for the job, but no one thought Clinton could do what he did either...

Posted by: tripdancer at August 11, 2004 02:54 AM

To: David Lowery

David, I can't honestly say what Gore would have done in the same 911 situation; however, Kerry has outlined a very intelligent course of action he would have taken. That includes the completion of U.N. expections, then getting support from our allies. GW JR and Colin Powell got on national TV with photo's of tankers that they were so sure contained WMD's and brain washed the American people to think this alone justified an attack on Iraq! I am glad the bush Admin. was able to oust Saadam, but the arrogance displayed by Bush in turning his nose up at the U.N. and our allies in fact made the U.S. look like a bully in the eye's of other nations. We don't need that type of label. The world knows the U.S. is by far the most powerful nation in the world. With our military stretched so thin and overworked and with their 2 year enlistment time coming to an end, somebody had better do something and I mean very quickly. I trust Kerry's record enough to believe that he will keep America as the most powerful nation in the world, I have no idea what Bush is going to do and am afraid to even think of his next move regarding our military. We all may have to go to Iraq and fight for their liberation movement or as GW JR says, "The War On Terrorism"

Vote: Kerry/Edwards

Posted by: d. jones at August 11, 2004 12:13 PM

I do remember reading several years ago that is was in fact the Bush family that so heavily armed the middle east for years, and during the President George Bush Sr. years one of those arms deals with Saadam went sour. This is how we ended up in the Gulf war and were GW JR picked up. It was GW JR's plan all the time to attack Iraq, he simply needed to convince the American people. I will have to locate the articles again.

Posted by: d. jones at August 11, 2004 12:21 PM

To Calamity Jane:

That just proves your ignorance with your suggestion that they're lefties. Half of them are democrats and half are republicans and they served under both Clinton and Bush's father.

Besides, even if they were lefties or righties or whatever...who gives a damn what their label is? Just as long as they can lead troops into battle or protect the country from terrorists, it doesn't really matter if they're liberal, conservative, or moderate. I will not allow my president to take us to war on poor intelligence, ESPECIALLY when this incompetent administration has no idea how to deal with the aftermath in Iraq. A regime change in the White House is in order.

Posted by: None of your Business at August 11, 2004 02:43 PM

Just vote Bush out of office, people. I can't make it any simpler. I don't like Kerry that much but the economy is not that good with the pathetic job growth as well as thru-the-roof gas prices and healthcare costs. Not to mention all those troops dying in Iraq for wmd's that don't even exist. Enough is enough so PLEASE vote for change in November.

Posted by: None of Your Business at August 11, 2004 03:08 PM

i totally agree with u, none of your business, we gotta oust this president. i lost my manufacturing job and now im forced to looking at minimum-wage fast food places with "help wanted" signs.

Posted by: sam at August 11, 2004 03:35 PM

Just go to www.cpusa.com. That's the Communist Party website. The endorse Kerry. For any true American that should be enough said. If the Communist Party likes him, he's certainly not for the USA.

Posted by: Sue at August 11, 2004 05:03 PM

"Computer Professionals, USA"

Sue- What are you, a stupid retard? That's no communist party site that's a site for some computer company that helps people build their own businesses. If this is a communist party website, then georgebush.com is the nazi party website. Only a complete idiot would think the way you think.

Posted by: al at August 11, 2004 06:53 PM

HA! at Sue,

Getting a little desperate huh? Why are you at a Communist web site? The Communist loved Reagan enough to tear down a wall dividing the east from the west. I am sorry, I am not going to your Communist web site. I would rather go drunk driving with GW JR. LOL!

Vote: Kerry/Edwards Take America Back!

Posted by: D. jones at August 11, 2004 07:06 PM

Sue:
you missed typed the web address for the communist party web site. Oh well!

Posted by: Barry at August 11, 2004 10:36 PM

Sue:
Here are ten reasons why Bush needs to go! It is all in the perspective Sue. Even for you.
1. Bush is destroying workers rights and outsourcing jobs instead of protecting the right to organize and creating new jobs rebuilding schools, bridges, roads and hospitals

2. Bush is privatizing Medicare, Social Security and public education with phony reforms instead of enacting health care for all, protecting retirement funds and full funding for public education through college.

3. Bush is bankrupting the Federal Government with giant tax cuts for the very rich and super-funds to the military instead of securing the budget for human needs by taxing the rich and spending on human needs.

4. Bush is rolling back civil rights gains instead of enforcing and expanding affirmative action to end racism in all areas of life.

5. Bush is curtailing women's rights and choice by undermining Roe v. Wade instead of upholding the right to choice and ending the gender wage gap.

6. Bush is abusing immigrant workers in low-wage jobs instead of providing a clear path to citizenship and equal rights.

7. Bush is exploiting and ruining the environment by protecting corporate polluters instead of conserving our natural resources for the public good.

8. Bush's war in Iraq is a disaster for our security and economy. He is pushing for more preemptive wars and for first strike nuclear military policy instead of negotiations and cooperation utilizing the UN.

9. Bush is denying civil liberties and free speech in the name of fighting terrorism instead of repealing the USA Patriot Act and helping cities, towns and states fund firefighters and police.

10. Bush discriminates against Gays and Lesbians with a Constitutional Amendment instead of expanding civil rights and liberties for all.

I bet you can't go back to 1996 and list the ten reasons why Clinton should go. If you did it would be obvious that the reasons were all lies, fabrications and falsehoods. The above reasons why Bush should go can be proven easily by looking in your local paper, the Congressional Record and in Bushs' own speeches.

Posted by: Barry at August 11, 2004 10:41 PM

Sue, and everyone else. It's cpusa.org, it is a communist website, and they do back Kerry. What is wrong with you people? Don't you understand that communisim is dead? Russia is not communist anymore, China is turning away from it. How could you possibly vote for a man that the communist want in office?

Posted by: David Lowery at August 12, 2004 01:21 PM

To d. jones:

It is not our communist website, it's the website for the Democratic party. Look at it, it says everything you are saying. Face it your views and the communist party are one in the same.